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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 99
Thursday, May 23, 2024, 3:32 p.m. to Thursday, June 6, 2024, 4:33 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
George Chahal, Chair (Liberal)

• Parm Bains for Peter Schiefke (Liberal)
• Iqwinder Gaheer for Yvonne Jones (Liberal)
• Cheryl Gallant for Ted Falk (Conservative)
• James Maloney for Yvonne Jones (Liberal)
• Ron McKinnon for John Aldag (Liberal)
• Greg McLean for Shannon Stubbs (Conservative)
• Rob Moore for Ted Falk (Conservative)
• Blake Richards for Shannon Stubbs (Conservative)
• Martin Shields for Earl Dreeshen (Conservative)
• Damien C. Kurek (Conservative)
• Greg McLean (Conservative)
• Hon. Rob Moore (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Sarah Dodsworth, Analyst
• Sarah Houle, Analyst
ATCO
• Dale Friesen, Senior Vice-President, Corporate Affairs, and Chief Government Affairs Officer
Canadian Gas Association
• Timothy M. Egan, President and Chief Executive Officer
Canadian Nuclear Association
• John Gorman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Canadian Renewable Energy Association
• Vittoria Bellissimo, President and Chief Executive Officer
Electricity Canada
• Francis Bradley, President and Chief Executive Officer
Electro-Federation Canada
• Carol McGlogan, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Frederick Morency, Vice-President, Sustainability, Strategic Initiatives and Innovation
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, the committee resumed its study of Canada’s electricity grid and network.

Dale Friesen, Timothy M. Egan, John Gorman, Vittoria Bellissimo, Francis Bradley and Carol McGlogan made statements and, with Frederick Morency, answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Charlie Angus moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study on the Trans Mountain pipeline to determine how, as in the case of the ArriveCAN app, the cost to taxpayers spiralled out of control, to get clarity on plans to divest and sell off the now completed pipeline and on the implications of such a sale to Canadian taxpayers, and to examine how increases in export capacity will impact a future cap on Greenhouse gas emissions; that the committee invite the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Natural Resources, as well as experts on the economy and the environment, to provide testimony; that the committee hold no fewer than five meetings for that purpose; that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Shannon Stubbs moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words ''Greenhouse gas emissions and;'' the following: ''that this study occur as soon as possible and supersede all other work of the committee, and;''.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Julie Dabrusin moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dabrusin, Iqwinder Gaheer, Viviane Lapointe, Ron McKinnon, Peter Schiefke — 5;

NAYS: Charlie Angus, Earl Dreeshen, Rob Moore, Jeremy Patzer, Mario Simard, Shannon Stubbs — 6.

The debate resumed.

Motion

Julie Dabrusin moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dabrusin, Iqwinder Gaheer, Viviane Lapointe, Ron McKinnon, Peter Schiefke — 5;

NAYS: Charlie Angus, Earl Dreeshen, Rob Moore, Jeremy Patzer, Mario Simard, Shannon Stubbs — 6.

The debate resumed.

By unanimous consent, it was agreed, — That the meeting be suspended.

At 4:33 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 3:55 p.m., on Monday, May 27, 2024, the meeting resumed.

The debate on the amendment resumed.

At 5:30 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 3:36 p.m., on Thursday, May 30, 2024, the meeting resumed.

The debate on the amendment resumed.

At 5:30 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 3:41 p.m., on Monday, June 3, 2024, the meeting resumed.

The debate on the amendment resumed.

At 4:06 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 3:50 p.m., on Thursday, June 6, 2024, the meeting resumed.

By unanimus consent, the amendment of Shannon Stubbs was withdrawn.

By unanimous consent, the motion of Charlie Angus was withrawn.

At 3:52 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:27 p.m., the meeting resumed.

By unanimous consent, on motion of Julie Dabrusin, it was agreed, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study on the Trans Mountain pipeline to determine how the cost to taxpayers spiralled out of control; to get clarity on plans to divest and sell off the now completed pipeline and the implications of such a sale to Canadian taxpayers and examine how such increases in export capacity will impact on a future cap on Greenhouse gas emissions and;

That the committee invite the following witnesses from the following organizations to appear on Monday, June 17, 2024:

First hour:

i. Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers;
ii. Environmental Defence;
iii. Pathways Alliance, and;
iv. A Conservative Witness (TBD).

Second hour:

i. Canada Energy Regulator.

That the committee invite the Parliamentary Budget Officer to appear for the first hour on Thursday, June 20, 2024; that the committee invite the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance and the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources, as well as experts in the economy and the environment to provide testimony; the committee hold six meetings for this study; that the study resume in September 2024, starting with two meetings on this study, and alternate, week by week, with the committee’s current study on Canada’s Electricity Grid and Network and that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

At 4:32 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Vice-Chair.



Alexandre Vassiliev
Clerk of the committee