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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 132

Monday, November 28, 1994

11:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue) for Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs)), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), moved, -- That this House take note of the opinions expressed by Canadians on the budgetary policy of the government and, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 83.1, authorize the Standing Committee on Finance to make a report or reports thereon no later than December 7, 1994. (Government Business No. 17)

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1179 concerning the Member for Markham -- Whitchurch -- Stouffville. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-21B.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1204 concerning the Young Offenders Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-9K.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-0863 and 351-0864 concerning gun control. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-16E.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1202, 351-1207, 351-1210, 351-1211, 351-1216 and 351-1218 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-30M.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1203, 351-1205, 351-1214 and 351-1219 concerning euthanasia. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-50F.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1220 and 351-1221 concerning the imprisonment of Leonard Peltier in the United States. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-78A.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Caccia (Davenport), five concerning gun control (Nos. 351-1419 to 351-1423);

-- by Mr. Crawford (Kent), two concerning abortion (Nos. 351-1424 and 351-1425);

-- by Mr. Duhamel (St. Boniface), one concerning Old Age Security benefits (No. 351-1426);

-- by Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1427), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1428) and one concerning gun control (No. 351-1429);

-- by Mrs. Jennings (Mission -- Coquitlam), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 351-1430);

-- by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 351-1431), one concerning the Leader of the Opposition (No. 351-1432) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 351-1433);

-- by Mr. Forseth (New Westminster -- Burnaby), one concerning gun control (No. 351-1434) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1435);

-- by Ms. Bridgman (Surrey North), one concerning gun control (No. 351-1436) and one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 351-1437);

-- by Mr. MacLellan (Cape Breton -- The Sydneys), three concerning the seal industry (Nos. 351-1438 to 351-1440).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-74 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs)), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)). (Government Business No. 17)

The debate continued.


At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(6), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-57, An Act to implement the Agreement Establishing the World Trade Organization, as reported by the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade with amendments.

By unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 10 of Mr. Bergeron (Verchères), seconded by Mr. Sauvageau (Terrebonne), -- That Bill C-57, in Clause 185, be amended by adding after line 22, on page 124, the following:

      ``(6) Section 97 of the Act is amended by adding the following after subsection (2):
        ``(3) The Governor in Council shall, on the recommendation of the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Industry, make regulations prescribing the factors that shall be considered in determining whether the dumping or subsidizing of any goods has caused any injury or retardation or is threatening to cause injury, which factors shall include, among others,
        (a) unused production capacity;
        (b) any increase in imports;
        (c) any adverse price effects;
        (d) inventories;
        (e) any other demonstrable adverse trends''.''

The question was put on Motion No. 10 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 118)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Duceppe -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- McLaughlin -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Solomon -- St-Laurent -- Taylor -- Venne -- 30

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Berger -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chan -- Clancy -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cummins -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jennings -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Payne -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Richardson -- Ringma -- Rompkey -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Wood -- Young -- 138

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Bélisle -- Caccia -- Canuel -- Caron -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Copps -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dingwall -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Fewchuk -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Goodale -- Guay -- Keyes -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Canso) -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McCormick -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Nault -- Ouellet -- Parrish -- Paré -- Patry -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Zed

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mrs. Debien (Laval East), seconded by Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil) -- That Bill C-57 be amended by adding after line 11, on page 3, the following new Clauses:

      ``3.1 The Minister of International Trade shall establish a process for consultation with the provinces regarding
      (a) implementation of the Agreement wherever implementation relates to a matter within provincial legislative jurisdiction; and
      (b) any matter relating to trade dispute resolution under the Agreement;
      (c) any economic matter of major international significance.
      3.2 Notwithstanding any provision in this Act or in the Agreement, the Governor in Council or the Minister shall not, without prior agreement of the provinces,
      (a) authorize any change to the Agreement in respect of allocation mechanisms for tariff quotas;
      (b) establish or implement policies for selecting trade partners to receive access to the Canadian market.
      3.3 In respect of subsidized exports, the Minister shall, in implementing the commitments made by Canada under the Agreement in respect of prices and quantities, have regard at all times to actions taken in the relevant areas by foreign competitors.
      3.4 In respect of agricultural products imported beyond established tariff quotas at a time of shortage of such product in domestic markets, the Minister shall take such measures as may be required from time to time, including imposition of tariffs, to ensure that such products are not imported at prices lower than those prevailing for the same products in the domestic markets.''

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS: 138. (See list under Division No. 118)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), seconded by Mrs. Debien (Laval East), -- That Bill C-57 be amended by adding after line 11, on page 3, the following new Clause:

      ``3.1 Notwithstanding any provision of this Act or the Agreement, the Minister of International Trade shall each year lay before the House of Commons a report taking into account the priorities identified by the committee of the House of Commons that normally considers matters relating to external affairs concerning
      (a) implementation of the Agreement in Canada;
      (b) the trade obligations and commitments undertaken by Canada at the international level by the trading partners of major importance to Canada, especially the United States; and
      (c) the impact of the Agreement on Canadian workers and companies.''

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS: 138. (See list under Division No. 118)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 8 of Mr. Paré (Louis-Hébert), seconded by Mrs. Debien (Laval East), -- That Bill C-57, in Clause 58, be amended by replacing lines 4 to 8, on page 25, with the following:

    ``(a) to fix the performer's performance in any existing or future medium by means of which sounds may be reproduced,''

The question was put on Motion No. 8 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS: 138. (See list under Division No. 118)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 9, as amended, of Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), seconded by Mr. Sauvageau (Terrebonne), -- That Bill C-57, in Clause 103, be amended:

    (a) by replacing lines 31 to 33, on page 54, with the following:

``paragraph (d) and by adding the following after paragraph (e):''; and

(b) by replacing line 41, on page 54, with the following:

``plies; or

(g) to restrict the importation of goods made, or containing components made in contravention of International Organization Conventions numbers 79, 90 and 138 regarding child labour.''

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 119)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Duceppe -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- McLaughlin -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Solomon -- St-Laurent -- Taylor -- Venne -- 30

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Berger -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chan -- Clancy -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cummins -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jennings -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Payne -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Richardson -- Ringma -- Rompkey -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Wood -- Young -- 137

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Bélisle -- Caccia -- Canuel -- Caron -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Copps -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dingwall -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Fewchuk -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Goodale -- Guay -- Keyes -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Canso) -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McCormick -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Nault -- Ouellet -- Parrish -- Paré -- Patry -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Zed

Mr. MacLaren (Minister for International Trade), seconded by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), moved, -- That Bill C-57, An Act to implement the Agreement Establishing the World Trade Organization, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 120)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Berger -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cummins -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Payne -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Richardson -- Ringma -- Rompkey -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Wood -- Young -- 163

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Blaikie -- de Jong -- McLaughlin -- Solomon -- Taylor -- 5

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Bélisle -- Caccia -- Canuel -- Caron -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Copps -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dingwall -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Fewchuk -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Goodale -- Guay -- Keyes -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Canso) -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McCormick -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Nault -- Ouellet -- Parrish -- Paré -- Patry -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Zed

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:02 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following paper, deposited with the Clerk of the House, was laid upon the Table:

By Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 2nd Report of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development: ``Conservation of the Porcupine Caribou Herd Calving Area'' (Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-22), presented to the House on Thursday, June 9, 1994. -- Sessional Paper No. 8512-351-22.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:20 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).