PRAYERS

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS

By unanimous consent, Ms. Copps (Deputy Prime Minister) made a statement, pursuant to Standing Order 33(1).

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2221, 351-2224, 351-2225, 351-2234, 351-2237, 351-2239, 351-2249 to 351-2252, 351-2255, 351-2283, 351-2284, 351-2302, 351-2326, 351-2327, 351-2333, 351-2337, 351-2338, 351-2343 to 351-2345, 351-2348, 351-2361, 351-2370, 351-2372 to 351-2376, 351-2381 and 351-2382 concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-3V.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Government House Leader in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1741, 351-1750, 351-1759, 351-1807, 351-1810, 351-1831, 351-1844, 351-1848 to 351-1851, 351-1890, 351-1893, 351-1928, 351-1932, 351-1967, 351-1968, 351-1983, 351-1989, 351-1990, 351-1995, 351-1996, 351-2043, 351-2086, 351-2097, 351-2098, 351-2108, 351-2147, 351-2148, 351-2229, 351-2238, 351-2271, 351-2290, 351-2339, 351-2368, 351-2371, 351-2378 and 351-2392 to 351-2411 concerning gun control. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-16Q.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1910 concerning sentences in the Criminal Code. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545- 351-70D.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2276 and 351-2285 concerning sexual orientation. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545- 351-111C.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Bélisle (La Prairie), from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented the 8th Report of the Committee (Chapters 29, 30 and 31 of the 1994 Auditor General's Report). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-99.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues Nos. 26, 27 and 34, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Mr. Bélisle (La Prairie), from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented the 9th Report of the Committee (Chapters 32 and 33 of the 1994 Auditor General's Report). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-100.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues Nos. 29 and 34, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Duhamel (St. Boniface), one concerning tobacco (No. 351-3075);

-- by Mr. Anawak (Nunatsiaq), one concerning the mining industry (No. 351-3076);

-- by Mr. Collins (Souris -- Moose Mountain), one concerning Ukrainian Canadians (No. 351-3077);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-3078).

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), Bill C-324, An Act to replace the allowance provided by the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act with an allowance funded by members' contributions to assist their transition back to private life, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-67, An Act to establish the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, to amend the Pension Act, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal the Veterans Appeal Board Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1, 8, 9 and 12.

Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

Group No. 3 -- Motion No. 7.

Group No. 4 -- Motion No. 10.

Group No. 5 -- Motion No. 11.

Group No. 1

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 10 and 11, on page 1, with the following:

``vocates continued by section 7 of the Pensions Act;''.

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 46, be amended by replacing line 33, on page 12, with following:

``46. (1) The definitions ``Chief''''.

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 9, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 47, be amended by adding after line 33, on page 14, the following:

``7. (1) There is hereby continued under the Minister a bureau to be known as the Bureau of Pensions Advocates, consisting of a Chief Pensions Advocate appointed by the Governor in Council and such other pensions advocates, officers and employees as may be required for the performance of the duties of the Bureau.

(2) The Chief Pensions Advocate and each pensions advocate shall be appointed from among persons who are members of the bar of any province.

(3) The Chief Pensions Advocate is the chief executive officer of the Bureau and has supervision over and direction of the work of the pensions advocates and other staff of the Bureau.

8. The Bureau is not part of the Department but it shall make such reports to the Minister as the Minister may direct.

9. (1) It is the duty of the Bureau, on request,

(a) to provide a counselling service to applicants and pensioners with respect to the application of this Act to them;

(b) to assist applicants and pensioners in the preparation of applications for review or of appeals under the Veterans Review and Appeal Board Act; and

(c) to arrange for applicants and pensioners to be represented by a pensions advocate at hearings on review or appeals under the Veterans Review and Appeal Board Act.

(2) The relationship between the Bureau and a person requesting its assistance is that of solicitor and client, and the Bureau shall not be required in any proceedings before the Veterans Review and Appeal Board to disclose any information or material in its possession relating to any such person.''

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 12, -- That Bill C-67 be amended by deleting Clause 101.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 8, 9 and 12, was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 9 to 15, on page 2, with the following:

``4. There is hereby established an independent board, to be known as the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, consisting of

(a) not more than twenty-nine permanent members to be appointed by the Governor in Council after consultation with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by that House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs; and

(b) such number of temporary members as are appointed in accordance with section 6.''

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 20, on page 2, with the following:

``(2) The terms of the permanent members appointed under section 4 shall be determined by lot, with ten permanent members to be appointed for a term not exceeding three years, an additional ten permanent members to be appointed for a term not exceeding six years and the remaining nine permanent members to be appointed for a term not exceeding nine years.

(3) Notwithstanding sub-section (2) and subject to subsection (4), a permanent member may agree with another permanent member to exchange the terms they were given under subsection (2).

(4) No permanent member shall hold office, whether by reappointment or by an exchange, for more than twelve years.''

Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 6, be amended by adding after line 25, on page 2, the following:

``(1.1) No appointment may be made under subsection (1) unless there has first been consultation in respect of that appointment with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by the House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs.''

Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 3 to 5, on page 3, with the following:

``8. (1) The Governor in Council shall, after consultation with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by that House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs, designate a Chairperson and a Deputy Chairperson from among the permanent members.''

Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 19 to 22, on page 3, with the following:

``(5) If both the Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson are absent or unable to act, a member designated by the Minister shall act as Chairperson. «(5) En cas d'absence ou d'empêchement du président et du vice-président, la présidence est assumée par le membre désigné par le ministre.

(6) If the office of the Chairperson and the office of the Deputy Chairperson are vacant, the Minister shall designate a member to act as Chairperson and that member shall act in that capacity until such time as the Governor in Council designates a Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson under subsection (7).

(7) Where the office of the Chairperson and the office of the Deputy Chairperson are vacant, the Governor in Council shall, as soon as possible after the vacancies and after consultation with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by that House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs, designate a Chairperson and a Deputy Chairperson from among the permanent members.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motion No. 4, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 6 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 28, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 23, on page 6, with the following:

``28. An appellant may make a written submission to the appeal panel or may appear before it, in person or by representative and at their own expense, to present documentary evidence and written or oral arguments, but the appeal panel shall not accept oral testimony.''

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 3.

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 4

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 10, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 48, be amended by replacing line 34, on page 14, with following:

``48. Section 24 of the Act is replaced by the following:

``24. (1) When a pensioner has been sentenced to imprisonment for a term of six months or more, the payment of his pension shall be discontinued and no pension shall be paid to the pensioner for or in respect of the term of that imprisonment, except that the Minister has discretion to direct the payment of the pension or part of it to any person who was being or was entitled to be supported by the pensioner at the time of the arrest of the pensioner or, if in the opinion of the Minister it would be of exceptional benefit or advantage to the pensioner, the Minister may in the Minister's discretion direct the payment of the pension or a part thereof to or for the pensioner.

(2) On the pensioner's release from imprisonment, payment of his pension shall be reconsidered as from the date of release and in accordance with the extent of the disability of the pensioner then shown to exist or, in the case of a pensioner pensioned on account of the death of a member of the forces, in accordance with the rates set out in Schedule II or determined pursuant to sub-section 34(7) or 45(3), whichever rates are applicable.''''

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 4.

The question was put on Motion No. 10 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 5

Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 73, be amended by replacing line 9, on page 26, with following:

``do so on application if the person making the application alleges that an error was made with respect to any finding of fact or the interpretation of any law or if new evidence is''.

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 5.

The question was put on Motion No. 11 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-67, An Act to establish the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, to amend the Pension Act, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal the Veterans Appeal Board Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the deferred recorded divisions were further deferred until later today, at the ordinary hour of daily adjournment.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. Marleau (Minister of Health), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the ordinary hour of daily adjournment.

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, the Canada Pension Plan, the Children's Special Allowances Act and the Unemployment Insurance Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1, 3, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 16 and 17.

Group No. 2 -- Motion No. 2.

Group No. 3 -- Motions Nos. 4, 13 and 15.

Group No. 4 -- Motions Nos. 5, 6 and 7.

Group No. 5 -- Motion No. 12.

Group No. 1

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 1, be amended by deleting lines 11 to 16, on page 1.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-54 be amended by deleting Clause 16.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-54 be amended by deleting Clause 25.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 9, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 35, be amended by replacing lines 20 to 25, on page 21, with the following:

``section 84(2), or, subject to the regulations, any''.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 10, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 35, be amended by replacing lines 15 to 20, on page 22, with the following:

``section 81 or subsection 84(2) and may take any action in relation to any of those decisions that might have been taken by the Minister under that section or subsection, and the Commissioner of''.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 36, be amended by replacing lines 40 to 42, on page 22, with the following:

``decision made in respect of an appeal under sub-section 84(2), may''.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 14, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 46, be amended by replacing lines 4 to 12, on page 29, with the following:

``(2) Subsection 108(3) of the Act is''.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 16, -- That Bill C-54 be amended by deleting Clause 50.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 17, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 53, be amended by replacing line 20, on page 33, with the following:

``53. Subsections 35(1)''.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 3, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 16 and 17, was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development), seconded by Mr. Bevilacqua (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Human Resources Development), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 3, be amended by striking out line 21, on page 2, and substituting the following:

``on the first day of the fourth month after the month in which this Act is assented to.''

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(3))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in an amendment to Clause 3 of Bill C-54, ``An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, the Canada Pension Plan, the Children's Special Allowances Act and the Unemployment Insurance Act'', whereby line 21 on page 2 is struck out and the following substituted therefore:

``on the first day of the fourth month after the month in which this Act is assented to.''

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing line 9, on page 12, with the following:

``sion or Statistics Canada,''.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), moved Motion No. 13, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 43, be amended by replacing line 14, on page 26, with the following:

``tions or Statistics Canada, or to''.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), moved Motion No. 15, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 47, be amended by replacing lines 36 to 38, on page 29, with the following:

``ment of Supply and Services or the Canada Employment and Immigration Commission;''.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3.

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 13 and 15, was deferred.

Group No. 4

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 23, be amended by replacing lines 29 to 39, on page 15, with the following:

``23. Subsection 37(4) of the Act is replaced''.

Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 23, be amended by replacing line 15, on page 16, with the following:

``the Minister shall, unless the person has''.

Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-54, in Clause 23, be amended by adding after line 20, on page 16, the following:

``(5) Within the first 30 days that the House of Commons sits in a fiscal year the Minister shall lay before the House a report showing:

(a) the number of remissions and the total of all amounts remitted during the preceding fiscal year pursuant to paragraphs (4)(a), (b) and (c);

(b) the recommendation of the Minister as to the number of remissions and the total of all remissions to be made in the fiscal year under paragraph (4)(d) as a result of erroneous advice or administrative error made in the preceding fiscal year;

(c) the recommendations of the Minister as to how the number and amount of remissions under paragraph (4)(d) may be reduced.

(6) The report of the Minister shall be referred to such committee of the House that the House may name for the purpose, which shall recommend a limit in the amount of remissions that may be made under paragraph (4)(d) in the fiscal year.

(7) The Minister may not remit any amount in a fiscal year pursuant to paragraph (4)(d) prior to the date a recommendation has been made by a committee pursuant to subsection (6) for the fiscal year.

(8) The Minister may not remit any amount in a fiscal year pursuant to paragraph (4)(d) that would cause the total amount of remissions to exceed the limit recommended by the committee for that year.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 4.

At 6:44 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(6), the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment, as amended, of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

``Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be not now read a second time but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs and that the Committee report back to the House no later than June 23, 1995.''

The question was put on the amendment, as amended, and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 205)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Epp -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Thompson -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- 30

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Barnes -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fillion -- Flis -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- The Sydneys) -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Simmons -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wappel -- Young -- 133

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Baker -- Beaumier -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- DeVillers -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Hubbard -- Keyes -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- Ménard -- O'Brien -- Paré -- Payne -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wells -- Wood

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(6), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development and Minister of Western Economic Diversification), -- That Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 206)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Flis -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Simmons -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wappel -- Young -- 106

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Bélisle -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dumas -- Epp -- Fillion -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- 57

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Baker -- Beaumier -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- DeVillers -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Hubbard -- Keyes -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- Ménard -- O'Brien -- Paré -- Payne -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wells -- Wood

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-67, An Act to establish the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, to amend the Pension Act, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal the Veterans Appeal Board Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs with amendments.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 10 and 11, on page 1, with the following:

``vocates continued by section 7 of the Pensions Act;''.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS 133. (See list under Division No. 205)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 8, 9 and 12 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 9 to 15, on page 2, with the following:

``4. There is hereby established an independent board, to be known as the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, consisting of

(a) not more than twenty-nine permanent members to be appointed by the Governor in Council after consultation with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by that House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs; and

(b) such number of temporary members as are appointed in accordance with section 6.''

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 207)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Bélisle -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Mercier -- Picard (Drummond) -- Rocheleau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- 27

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Flis -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la- -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Madeleine) -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harvard -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Karygiannis -- Kerpan -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Penson -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pillitteri -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Ringma -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rompkey -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Silye -- Simmons -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wappel -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Young -- 136

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Baker -- Beaumier -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- DeVillers -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Hubbard -- Keyes -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- Ménard -- O'Brien -- Paré -- Payne -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wells -- Wood

Accordingly, Motion No. 4 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 3 of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 20, on page 2, with the following:

``(2) The terms of the permanent members appointed under section 4 shall be determined by lot, with ten permanent members to be appointed for a term not exceeding three years, an additional ten permanent members to be appointed for a term not exceeding six years and the remaining nine permanent members to be appointed for a term not exceeding nine years.

(3) Notwithstanding sub-section (2) and subject to subsection (4), a permanent member may agree with another permanent member to exchange the terms they were given under subsection (2).

(4) No permanent member shall hold office, whether by reappointment or by an exchange, for more than twelve years.''

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS 133. (See list under Division No. 205)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 5 of Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 3 to 5, on page 3, with the following:

``8. (1) The Governor in Council shall, after consultation with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by that House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs, designate a Chairperson and a Deputy Chairperson from among the permanent members.''

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 27, NAYS 136. (See list under Division No. 207)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 6 of Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 19 to 22, on page 3, with the following:

``(5) If both the Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson are absent or unable to act, a member designated by the Minister shall act as Chairperson.

(6) If the office of the Chairperson and the office of the Deputy Chairperson are vacant, the Minister shall designate a member to act as Chairperson and that member shall act in that capacity until such time as the Governor in Council designates a Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson under subsection (7).

(7) Where the office of the Chairperson and the office of the Deputy Chairperson are vacant, the Governor in Council shall, as soon as possible after the vacancies and after consultation with the government of each province and such committee of the House of Commons established or designated by that House to consider matters respecting veterans affairs, designate a Chairperson and a Deputy Chairperson from among the permanent members.''

The question was put on Motion No. 6 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 27, NAYS 136. (See list under Division No. 207)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 7 of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 28, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 23, on page 6, with the following:

``28. An appellant may make a written submission to the appeal panel or may appear before it, in person or by representative and at their own expense, to present documentary evidence and written or oral arguments, but the appeal panel shall not accept oral testimony.''

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 208)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Bélisle -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dumas -- Epp -- Fillion -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- 57

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Flis -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Simmons -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wappel -- Young -- 106

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Baker -- Beaumier -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- DeVillers -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Hubbard -- Keyes -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- Ménard -- O'Brien -- Paré -- Payne -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wells -- Wood

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 10 of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 48, be amended by replacing line 34, on page 14, with following:

``48. Section 24 of the Act is replaced by the following:

``24. (1) When a pensioner has been sentenced to imprisonment for a term of six months or more, the payment of his pension shall be discontinued and no pension shall be paid to the pensioner for or in respect of the term of that imprisonment, except that the Minister has discretion to direct the payment of the pension or part of it to any person who was being or was entitled to be supported by the pensioner at the time of the arrest of the pensioner or, if in the opinion of the Minister it would be of exceptional benefit or advantage to the pensioner, the Minister may in the Minister's discretion direct the payment of the pension or a part thereof to or for the pensioner.

(2) On the pensioner's release from imprisonment, payment of his pension shall be reconsidered as from the date of release and in accordance with the extent of the disability of the pensioner then shown to exist or, in the case of a pensioner pensioned on account of the death of a member of the forces, in accordance with the rates set out in Schedule II or determined pursuant to sub-section 34(7) or 45(3), whichever rates are applicable.''''

The question was put on Motion No. 10 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS 133. (See list under Division No. 205)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on Motion No. 11 of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-67, in Clause 73, be amended by replacing line 9, on page 26, with following:

``do so on application if the person making the application alleges that an error was made with respect to any finding of fact or the interpretation of any law or if new evidence is''.

The question was put on Motion No. 11 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 57, NAYS 106. (See list under Division No. 208)

Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada) for Mr. Collenette (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans Affairs), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, -- That Bill C67, An Act to establish the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, to amend the Pension Act, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal the Veterans Appeal Board Act, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 209)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Barnes -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fillion -- Flis -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Sydneys) -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Simmons -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wappel -- Young -- 133

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Epp -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Thompson -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- 30

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Baker -- Beaumier -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- DeVillers -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Hubbard -- Keyes -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- Ménard -- O'Brien -- Paré -- Payne -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wells -- Wood

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. Marleau (Minister of Health), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 106, NAYS 57. (See list under Division No. 206)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(6), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Kerpan (Moose Jaw -- Lake Centre), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should immediately pursue negotiations with the provinces and agri-food industry in order to re-assign jurisdictional responsibilities in agriculture and eliminate overlap and duplication. (Private Members' Business M-314)

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 210)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Bélisle -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dumas -- Epp -- Fillion -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- 56

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Althouse -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Flis -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wappel -- Young -- 103

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Baker -- Beaumier -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- DeVillers -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Hubbard -- Keyes -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Marchand -- Marchi -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- Ménard -- O'Brien -- Paré -- Payne -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wells -- Wood

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), concerning the parole system (No. 351-3079).

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:33 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).