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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 12

Wednesday, March 13, 1996

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) Nos. 351-4151 and 351-4249 concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-21B; (2) No. 351-4152 concerning euthanasia. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-19D; (3) No. 351-4155 concerning the parole system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-29; (4) No. 351-4157 concerning sentences in the Criminal Code. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-22B; (5) No. 351-4158 concerning capital punishment. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-30; (6) No. 351-4247 concerning the Canadian Human Rights Commission. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-31.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard), two concerning the tax on gasoline (Nos. 352-0155 and 352-0156);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0157) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0158);

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0159) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 352-0160);

-- by Ms. Torsney (Burlington), one concerning the mistreatment of animals (No. 352-0161);

-- by Mr. Althouse (Mackenzie), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352- 0162);

-- by Mr. Caccia (Davenport), one concerning human rights in Vietnam (No. 352- 0163);

-- by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), one concerning the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (No. 352-0164) and one concerning abortion (No. 352-0165).

PRIVILEGE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich -- Gulf Islands), -- Whereas the member for Charlesbourg, acting as the defence critic for the Bloc Quebecois and supported by the then Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, released a communique on the letterhead of the Office of the Leader of the Official Opposition on October 26,1 995 before the referendum in Quebec inviting all francophone members of the Canadian Armed Forces to join the Quebec military in the event of a "yes" vote supporting separation from Canada;

That in the opinion of this House, this action by the Hon. Member for Charlesbourg, and the then Leader of the Official Opposition should be viewed as seditious and offensive to this House and constitutes a Contempt of Parliament; and consequently, the House refer the matter to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs for examination.

The debate continued.

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all of the words before the word "That" and by deleting all of the words after the word "That" and by substituting the following:

    "the matter of the communiqué of the Member for Charlesbourg released on October 26, 1995, with reference to members of the Canadian Armed Forces be referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs."

Debate arose thereon.

NOTICE OF MOTION

Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) gave notice of intention to move at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 57, that, in relation to the consideration of the question of Privilege, the debate not be further adjourned.

PRIVILEGE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich -- Gulf Islands), in relation to the question of privilege;

And of the amendment of Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell).

The debate continued.

Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), moved the following sub-amendment, -- That the amendment be amended by adding after the words "the matter of the", the following:

    "seditious nature of the".

Debate arose thereon.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 12, 1996, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), -- That this House require the Minister of Human Resources Development to withdraw Bill C-12, An Act respecting employment insurance in Canada, from the Order Paper immediately and go back to the drawing board, since this reform hits young people, women, seasonal workers and immigrants hard.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the words "drawing board".

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 8)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Morrison -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 28

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic - Compton - Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Paré -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Skoke -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Young -- Zed -- 183

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bélair -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cohen -- Eggleton -- Gauthier -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Nunez

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion of Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot).

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:


(Division--Vote No 9)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic - Compton - Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Guimond -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Paré -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Stinson -- Taylor -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Venne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 75

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Young -- Zed -- 138

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bélair -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cohen -- Eggleton -- Gauthier -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Nunez

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Amendments to the Import Control List, pursuant to the Export and Import Permits Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-19, sbs. 5(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-175. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Treaty on Extradition between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Korea, pursuant to the Extradition Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-23, s. 7. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-400 (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Report of the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade on the Annual Summary of Steel Permit Information for the year 1995, pursuant to the Export and Import Permits Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-19, sbs. 5.1(3). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-525. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Mr. Young (Minister of Human Resources Development) -- Report on Government Annuities, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Government Annuities Improvement Act, S. C. 1974-75-76, c. 83, sbs. 18(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-57. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)

-- by Mr. Young (Minister of Human Resources Development) -- Copy of Order in Council P.C. 1995-1829, dated October 31, 1995, concerning the Agreement on Social Security between Canada and the Republic of Austria, pursuant to the Old Age Security Act, R. S. 1985, c. O-9, ss. 41(1) and (2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-212. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:13 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:20 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).