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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session
Journals
No. 017
Wednesday, March 20, 1996
2:00 p.m.
Prayers
National Anthem
Statements by Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
Daily Routine of Business
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petition:
- No. 351-4248 concerning the Senate. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-36.
Statements by Ministers
Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) made a statement.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 9th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:
The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:
Citizenship and Immigration
BhaduriaFinance
BhaduriaForeign Affairs and International Trade
BhaduriaHuman Resources Development
Brown (Oakville–Milton)EasterJustice and Legal Affairs
BhaduriaPublic Accounts
BhaduriaThe Committee further recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 107, that the following Member be appointed as Associate Member of:
Liaison Committee
FrazerA copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 1, which includes this Report) was tabled.
Introduction of Private Members’ Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Ms. Guarnieri (Mississauga East), Bill C–240, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (child care expense), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Forseth (New Westminster–Burnaby), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), Bill C–241, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (punishment for subsequent serious personal injury offence), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded by Mr. Chatters (Athabasca), Bill C–242, An Act to amend the Divorce Act (joint custody), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 9th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the membership of the Standing Committee be modified as follows:
Procedure and House Affairs
Pagtakhan for BélangerPresenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
- by Mr. Duhamel (St. Boniface), one concerning Old Age Security benefits (No. 352-0186);
- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0187) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0188);
- by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley–Lloydminster), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-0189);
- by Mr. Chatters (Athabasca), four concerning the tax on gasoline (Nos. 352-0190 to 352-0193);
- by Mr. Karygiannis (Scarborough–Agincourt), one concerning the situation in Sri Lanka (No. 352-0194);
- by Mr. Forseth (New Westminster–Burnaby), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-0195);
- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby–Kingsway), one concerning euthanasia (No. 352-0196) and one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0197).
Government Orders
The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.
Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the GST should be “killed, scrapped, abolished”.
Debate arose thereon.
Mr. Grubel (Capilano–Howe Sound), seconded by Mr. Forseth (New Westminster–Burnaby), moved, — That the motion be amended in the English version by deleting the word "should”.
Debate arose thereon.
At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(17), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.
The question was put on the amendment and it was carried on division.
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(17), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion, as amended, of Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), — That, in the opinion of this House, the GST be “killed, scrapped, abolished”.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:
(Division — Vote No 16)
Yeas — Pour
Members — Députés
Althouse Bélisle Bellehumeur Bergeron Bernier (Gaspé) Bernier (Mégantic -Compton -Stanstead) Blaikie Brien Canuel Chatters Chrétien(Frontenac) Crête Cummins Dalphond-Guiral Daviault de Jong Debien Deshaies Dubé Duceppe Dumas Epp Fillion Forseth Frazer Gagnon (Québec) Gauthier Godin Grey (Beaver River) Grubel Guimond Hanger Harper (Calgary West) Harris Hayes Hermanson Hill (Prince George–Peace River) Hoeppner Lalonde Landry Langlois Laurin Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) Lebel Leblanc (Longueuil) Lefebvre Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) Leroux (Shefford) Loubier Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) McClelland Ménard (Edmonton Southwest) Mercier Meredith Mills (Red Deer) Morrison Nunez Paré Penson Picard (Drummond) Pomerleau Ramsay Ringma Robinson Rocheleau Sauvageau Schmidt Silye Solberg Solomon Speaker Stinson Taylor Thompson Venne Williams --76
Nays — Contre
Members — Députés
Adams Alcock Allmand Anderson Assad Assadourian Augustine Axworthy (Winnipeg South Bakopanos Barnes Beaumier Centre) Bélair Bélanger Bernier (Beauce) Bertrand Bethel Bevilacqua Bodnar Boudria Brown (Oakville–Milton) Bryden Calder Campbell Cannis Catterall Cauchon Chan Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) Clancy Cohen Collenette Collins Comuzzi Copps Cowling Crawford Culbert Dingwall Discepola Dromisky Duhamel Dupuy Easter English Fewchuk Finestone Flis Fontana Gaffney Gagliano Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) Gallaway Godfrey Goodale Gray (Windsor West) Grose Guarnieri Harb Harvard Hickey Hopkins Hubbard Jackson Jordan Karygiannis Keyes Kirkby Knutson Kraft Sloan Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) Lee Loney MacDonald MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) Malhi Maloney Marleau Massé McCormick McGuire McKinnon McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/ Mifflin Milliken Minna Northwest) Mitchell Murphy Murray Nault O’Brien O’Reilly Pagtakhan Paradis Parrish Payne Peric Peters Peterson Phinney Pickard (Essex–Kent) Pillitteri Proud Reed Regan Richardson Rideout Ringuette-Maltais Robichaud Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) Serré Sheridan Simmons Skoke Speller St. Denis Steckle Stewart (Brant) Stewart (Northumberland) Szabo Telegdi Thalheimer Torsney Ur Valeri Vanclief Verran Volpe Wappel Whelan Young Zed --131
Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »
Asselin Bachand Caron de Savoye Eggleton Finlay Gerrard Graham Guay Harper (Churchill) Iftody Jacob Marchand Nunziata Patry St-Laurent Tremblay (Rosemont) Wood
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), — That this House deplores the fact that the technical committee set up by the Minister of Finance to analyse business taxation is comprised of members who are both judge and judged with regard to business tax reform; and that, this being so, the Minister of Finance should set up a joint committee of experts and parliamentarians to examine business taxation in an impartial manner according to an open and transparent process.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:
(Division — Vote No 17)
Yeas — Pour
Members — Députés
Althouse Bélisle Bellehumeur Bergeron Bernier (Gaspé) Bernier (Mégantic-Compton-Stanstead) Blaikie Brien Canuel Chrétien (Frontenac) Crête Dalphond-Guiral Daviault de Jong Debien Deshaies Dubé Duceppe Dumas Fillion Gagnon (Québec) Gauthier Godin Guimond Lalonde Landry Langlois Laurin Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) Lebel Leblanc (Longueuil) Lefebvre Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) Leroux (Shefford) Loubier Ménard Mercier Nunez Paré Picard (Drummond) Pomerleau Robinson Rocheleau Sauvageau Solomon Taylor Venne --47
Nays — Contre
Members — Députés
Adams Alcock Allmand Anderson Assad Assadourian Augustine Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) Bakopanos Barnes Beaumier Sud-Centre) Bélair Bélanger Bernier (Beauce) Bertrand Bethel Bevilacqua Bodnar Boudria Brown (Oakville–Milton) Bryden Calder Campbell Cannis Catterall Cauchon Chan Chatters Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) Clancy Cohen Collenette Collins Comuzzi Copps Cowling Crawford Culbert Cummins Dingwall Discepola Dromisky Duhamel Dupuy Easter English Epp Fewchuk Finestone Flis Fontana Forseth Frazer Gaffney Gagliano Gagnon (Bonaventure - Gallaway Godfrey Goodale - Îles-de-la-Madeleine) Gray (Windsor West) Grey (Beaver River) Grose Grubel Guarnieri Hanger Harb Harper (Calgary West) Harris Harvard Hayes Hermanson Hickey Hill (Prince George–Peace River) Hoeppner Hopkins Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jordan Karygiannis Keyes Kirkby Knutson Kraft Sloan Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) Lee Loney MacDonald MacLellan (Cape Breton- Malhi Maloney Marleau - The Sydneys) Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) Massé McClelland (Edmonton Southwest/ McCormick McGuire McKinnon Southwest) McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/ Meredith Mifflin Milliken Northwest) Mills (Red Deer) Minna Mitchell Morrison Murphy Murray Nault O’Brien O’Reilly Pagtakhan Paradis Parrish Payne Penson Peric Peters Peterson Phinney Pickard (Essex–Kent) Pillitteri Proud Ramsay Reed Regan Richardson Rideout Ringma Ringuette-Maltais Robichaud Schmidt Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) Serré Sheridan Silye Simmons Skoke Solberg Speaker Speller St. Denis Steckle Stewart (Brant) Stewart (Northumberland) Stinson Szabo Telegdi Thalheimer Thompson Torsney Ur Valeri Vanclief Verran Volpe Wappel Whelan Williams Young Zed --161
Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »
Asselin Bachand Caron de Savoye Eggleton Finlay Gerrard Graham Guay Harper (Churchill) Iftody Jacob Marchand Nunziata Patry St-Laurent Tremblay (Rosemont) Wood
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada) moved, — That the Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1996, be concurred in.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 81(21) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board, seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), Bill C–21, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1996, was read the first time and ordered to be printed.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The Committee considered the Bill and reported it without amendment.
Pursuant to standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.
Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That this House do concur in Interim Supply as follows:
That a sum not exceeding $28,036,537,062.88 being composed of:
- seven-twelfths ($21,324,082,274.22) of the total of the amounts of the items set forth in the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1997 which were laid upon the Table Thursday, March 7, 1996, and except for those items below:
- eleven-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian Heritage Vote 140, Natural Resources Vote L15, Public Works and Government Services Vote 25 and Treasury Board Votes 5 and 10 (Schedule A) of the said Estimates, $487,697,833.33;
- ten-twelfths of the total of the amount of Finance Vote 20, Justice Votes 15 and 20 and Transport Vote 1 (Schedule B) of the said Estimates, $1,286,805,833.33;
- nine-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian Heritage Vote 35, Finance Vote L25, Human Resources Development Vote 40, Indian Affairs and Northern Development Votes 15 and 45, Industry Vote 120 and Transport Vote 45 (Schedule C) of the said Estimates, $3,183,909,750.00;
- eight-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian Heritage Vote 65, Citizenship and Immigration Vote 10, Human Resources Development Votes 5 and 10, Industry Votes 65 and 110, Justice Votes 1 and 5, and Public Works and Government Services Vote 15 (Schedule D) of the said Estimates, $1,754,041,372.00;
be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending March 31, 1997.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division — Vote No 18)
Yeas — Pour
Members — Députés
Adams Alcock Allmand Anderson Assad Assadourian Augustine Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre/ Bakopanos Barnes Beaumier Sud-Centre) Bélair Bélanger Bernier (Beauce) Bertrand Bethel Bevilacqua Bodnar Boudria Brown (Oakville–Milton) Bryden Calder Campbell Cannis Catterall Cauchon Chan Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) Clancy Cohen Collenette Collins Comuzzi Copps Cowling Crawford Culbert Dingwall Discepola Dromisky Duhamel Dupuy Easter English Fewchuk Finestone Flis Fontana Gaffney Gagliano Gagnon (Bonaventure- Gallaway Godfrey Goodale Îles-de-la-Madeleine) Gray (Windsor West) Grose Guarnieri Harb Harvard Hickey Hopkins Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jordan Karygiannis Keyes Kirkby Knutson Kraft Sloan Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) Lee Loney MacDonald MacLellan (Cape Breton Malhi Maloney Marleau - The Sydneys) Massé McCormick McGuire McKinnon McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/ Mifflin Milliken Minna Northwest) Mitchell Murphy Murray Nault O’Brien O’Reilly Pagtakhan Paradis Parrish Payne Peric Peters Peterson Phinney Pickard (Essex–Kent) Pillitteri Proud Reed Regan Richardson Rideout Ringuette-Maltais Robichaud Scott (Fredericton -York -Sunbury) Serré Sheridan Simmons Skoke Speller St. Denis Steckle Stewart (Brant) Stewart (Northumberland) Szabo Telegdi Thalheimer Torsney Ur Valeri Vanclief Verran Volpe Wappel Whelan Young Zed --132
Nays — Contre
Members — Députés
Althouse Bélisle Bellehumeur Bergeron Bernier (Gaspé) Bernier (Mégantic–Compton Blaikie Brien Canuel — Stanstead) Chatters Chrétien (Frontenac) Crête Cummins Dalphond-Guiral Daviault de Jong Debien Deshaies Dubé Duceppe Dumas Epp Fillion Forseth Frazer Gagnon (Québec) Gauthier Godin Grey (Beaver River) Grubel Guimond Hanger Harper (Calgary West) Harris Hayes Hermanson Hill (Prince George–Peace River) Hoeppner Lalonde Landry Langlois Laurin Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) Lebel Leblanc (Longueuil) Lefebvre Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) Leroux (Shefford) Loubier Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) McClelland (Edmonton Southwest/ Ménard Mercier Meredith Southwest) Mills (Red Deer) Morrison Nunez Paré Penson Picard (Drummond) Pomerleau Ramsay Ringma Robinson Rocheleau Sauvageau Schmidt Silye Solberg Solomon Speaker Stinson Taylor Thompson Venne Williams --76
Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »
Asselin Bachand Caron de Savoye Eggleton Finlay Gerrard Graham Guay Harper (Churchill) Iftody Jacob Marchand Nunziata Patry St-Laurent Tremblay (Rosemont) Wood
Pursuant to Standing Orders 81(21) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), Bill C–22, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1997, was read the first time and ordered to be printed.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The Committee considered the Bill and reported it without amendment.
Pursuant to standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.
Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
YEAS: 132, NAYS: 76. (See list under division No.18)
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
Private Members’ Business
At 6:21 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.
The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Industry of Bill C–221, An Act to amend the Competition Act (illegal trade practices).
Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), seconded by Mr. Crawford (Kent), moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.
Debate arose thereon.
Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.
Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) — Report of the Director of Investigation and Research, Competition Act, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Competition Tribunal Act, R. S. 1985, c. 19 (2nd Supp.), s. 45. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-112. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)
by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) — Report of the Governor of the Bank of Canada and Statement of Accounts for the year 1995, pursuant to the Bank of Canada Act, R. S. 1985, c. B–2, sbs. 30(3). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-65. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)
Proceedings on Adjournment Motion
At 7:20 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
Adjournment
At 7:26 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).