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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 37

Wednesday, May 1, 1996

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

VACANCY

The Speaker informed the House that a vacancy had occurred in the House of Commons for the Electoral District of Hamilton East, in the Province of Ontario, by reason of the resignation of Ms. Copps, and that, pursuant to subsection 25(1)(b) of the Parliament of Canada Act, he had addressed, on May 1, 1996, his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for the issue of a writ for the election of a member to fill the vacancy.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) Nos. 351-3700, 351-3719, 351-3720, 351-4006, 351-4046, 351-4047 and 351-4061 concerning the Department of Human Resources Development. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-52; (2) No. 351-4079 concerning the "On to Ottawa" Trek of 1935. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-53; (3) No. 351-4159 concerning sex offenders. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-2C.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Duhamel (St. Boniface), one concerning the Senate (No. 352-0314);

-- by Mrs. Guay (Laurentides), one concerning the issuing of visas (No. 352-0315);

-- by Mr. White (North Vancouver), one concerning the Criminal Code of Canada (No. 352-0316);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0317) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0318);

-- by Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt), one concerning boating licences (No. 352-0319) and one concerning sports fishing (No. 352-0320);

-- by Mr. Paré (Louis-Hébert), one concerning the detention of Mr. Tran Trieu Quan in Vietnam (No. 352-0321);

-- by Mr. Duncan (North Island -- Powell River), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0322);

-- by Mr. Riis (Kamloops), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-0323);

-- by Mr. Hill (Macleod), one concerning the parole system (No. 352-0324);

-- by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), one concerning euthanasia (No. 352-0325);

-- by Mr. Culbert (Carleton -- Charlotte), one concerning veterans' affairs (No. 352-0326);

-- by Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), one concerning impaired driving (No. 352-0327);

-- by Ms. Beaumier (Brampton), one concerning child abuse (No. 352-0328) and one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0329).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. Dion (Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs), moved, -- That in relation to Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act , not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the second reading stage of the Bill, and, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for government business on the allotted day of the second reading consideration of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required, for the purpose of this Order and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 50)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anawak -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McWhinney -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London - Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 146

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solomon -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 83

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Caron -- Godfrey -- Pagtakhan -- St-Laurent


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), -- That Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.

The debate continued.

Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), seconded by Mr. White (North Vancouver), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

    "Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act, be not read a second time but that it be read a second time six months hence."

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 51)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Epp -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Strahl -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 29

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Canuel -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont - Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Paradis -- Paré -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Reed -- Regan -- Rideout -- Riis -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 198

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Caron -- Godfrey -- Pagtakhan -- St-Laurent

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:


(Division--Vote No 52)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic - Compton - Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Campbell -- Canuel -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont - Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Nault -- Nunez -- Paradis -- Paré -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Reed -- Regan -- Rideout -- Riis -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 178

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Baker -- Benoit -- Bhaduria -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Bryden -- Calder -- Chatters -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Duncan -- Epp -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- McGuire -- McTeague -- Meredith -- Murray -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Peric -- Pillitteri -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Skoke -- Speller -- Steckle -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Ur -- Verran -- Wappel -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 53

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Caron -- Godfrey -- Pagtakhan -- St-Laurent

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:55, pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs of Bill C-217, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of witnesses).

Mrs. Venne (Saint-Hubert), seconded by Mrs. Picard (Drummond), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Debate arose thereon.

NOTICE OF MOTION

Ms. Fry (Secretary of State (Multiculturalism)(Status of Women)) gave notice of the intention to move a motion at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 78(3), for the purpose of allotting a specified number of days or hours for the consideration and disposal of the committee stage of Bill C- 33, An Act respecting employment insurance in Canada.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Venne (Saint- Hubert), seconded by Mrs. Picard (Drummond), -- That Bill C-217, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of witnesses), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Thursday, May 2, 1996, at 10:00 a.m..

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Dromisky (Thunder Bay -- Atikokan), concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0330).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:51 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:59 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).