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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 78

Tuesday, October 1, 1996

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. English (Kitchener) presented the report of the Canadian elegation of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association respecting its participation at the 5th Annual Meeting of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization on Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), held in Stockholm, Sweden, from July 5 to 9, 1996. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-352-51B.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Maloney (Erie) presented the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 7th Annual Meeting of the Canada-Japan Inter-Parliamentary Group held in Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa from September 1 to 5, 1996. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-352-57A.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Maloney (Erie) presented the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the Meeting of the Executive Committee of the Asia Pacific Parliamentary Forum held in Ottawa, from September 6 to 8, 1996. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-352-57B.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Graham (Rosedale), from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, presented the 2nd Report of the Committee (Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Foreign Extraterritorial Measures Act, without amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-34.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 5, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 33rd Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following change in the membership of the Standing Committee on Finance:

Rocheleau for Pomerleau

The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:

Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Brien                                   Gagnon (Québec)


Industry

Brien


A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the 33rd Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Bevilacqua (York North), one concerning government spending (No. 352-1049), one concerning the economy and employment (No. 352-1050) and one concerning small businesses (No. 352-1051);

-- by Mr. Maloney (Erie), two concerning profits from crime (Nos. 352-1052 and 352-1053);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1054) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-1055).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs of Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act.

Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

By unanimous consent, the House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to recognize Canada's 1996 Summer Olympic Games and Paralympic Games medallists.

The sitting resumed.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Gray (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), -- That Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Prisons and Reformatories Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today at 5:30 p.m.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The debate continued.

NOTICE OF MOTION

Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) gave notice of the intention to move a motion at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 78(3), for the purpose of allotting a specified number of days or hours for the consideration and disposal of the third reading of Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (judicial review of parole ineligibility) and another Act.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The debate continued.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, September 27, 1996, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans), -- That Bill C-44, An Act for making the system of Canadian ports competitive, efficient and commercially oriented, providing for the establishing of port authorities and the divesting of certain harbours and ports, for the commercialization of the St. Lawrence Seaway and ferry services and other matters related to maritime trade and transport and amending the Pilotage Act and amending and repealing other Acts as a consequence, be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Transport.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 131)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brushett -- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Copps -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marleau -- Massé -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- McCormick -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Payne -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robillard -- Rock -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speaker -- Speller -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Williams -- Wood -- Zed -- 161

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Althouse -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Epp -- Fillion -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Landry -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- Taylor -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Venne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 51

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Asselin -- Bakopanos -- Caron -- Cauchon -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Fontana -- Keyes -- Lalonde -- Langlois -- Lebel -- Loubier -- O'Reilly -- Patry -- Peters -- Pomerleau -- Young

Accordingly, the Bill was referred to the Standing Committee on Transport.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Gray (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)(Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), -- That Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Prisons and Reformatories Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:


(Division--Vote No 132)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bachand -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Beauce) -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brushett -- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Copps -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Landry -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchand -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- Paradis -- Paré -- Parrish -- Payne -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Zed -- 178

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Benoit -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- de Jong -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Jennings -- Johnston -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ramsay -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 36

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Asselin -- Bakopanos -- Caron -- Cauchon -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Fontana -- Keyes -- Lalonde -- Langlois -- Lebel -- Loubier -- O'Reilly -- Patry -- Peters -- Pomerleau -- Young

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:07 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Tremblay (Rosemont), seconded by Mr. Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the Canadian government should bring all appropriate political pressure to bear on the government of Egypt to ensure the immediate return to Canada of Karim Noah, son of Mrs. Micheline Tremblay, a resident in the riding of Rosemont, who was abducted illegally, on January 17, 1993, by his father, Mr. Moustafa Nouh, and taken illicitly to Egypt. (Private Members' Business M-169)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Report of the Canadian International Trade Tribunal entitled "Requests for Tariff Relief by Freed & Freed International Ltd. and Fen-Nelli Fashions Inc. regarding certain woven fabrics of wool and/or fine animal hair or blends thereof with synthetic staple fibres", dated August 27, 1996, pursuant to the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, S. C. 1988, c. 65, s. 54. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-572V. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

Messages were received from the Senate as follows:

-- ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-56, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1997.

-- ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-243, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (reimbursement of election expenses), without amendment.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:06 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:23 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).