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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 101
Thursday, May 7, 1998
10:00 a.m.
PRAYERS
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:
-- No. 361-0721 concerning taxes on books. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-3J;
-- No. 361-0745 concerning the Young Offenders Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-45G.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. St-Julien (Abitibi), from the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, presented the 3rd Report of the Committee (Bill C-39, An Act to amend the Nunavut Act and the Constitution Act, 1867, with an amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-58.
Mr. Graham (Toronto Centre -- Rosedale), the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, presented the 5th Report of the Committee (Hong Kong veterans). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-59.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 21 and 48) was tabled.
Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 32nd Report of the Committee, which was as follows:
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The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104
and 114, the following change in the membership of the Standing
Committee on Transport:
Lou Sekora for Ivan Grose
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings was tabled.
Introduction of Government Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), seconded by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Royal Canadian Mint Act and the Currency Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))
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His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House
of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the
circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a
measure entitled "An Act to amend the Royal Canadian Mint Act and
the Currency Act".
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), seconded by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), Bill C-402, An Act to amend the Indian Act (obligations of landlords and tenants on reserve land), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bonwick (Simcoe -- Grey), seconded by Mr. Finlay (Oxford), Bill C-403, An Act to amend the Canadian Environmental Protection Act (lead sinkers and lead jigs), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the 32nd Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
-- by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West -- Nepean), one concerning pornography (No. 361-0876) and one concerning radio and television programming (No. 361-0877);
-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 361-0878) and one concerning health care services (No. 361-0879);
-- by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), one concerning gun control (No. 361-0880);
-- by Mr. Bailey (Souris -- Moose Mountain), one concerning pornography (No. 361-0881).
Questions on Order Paper
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:
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Q-75 -- Mrs. Wayne (Saint John) -- With respect to assistance
provided under the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, would
the Minister responsible for ACOA provide for each federal riding
in New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward
Island the following:
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(a) a list of projects approved under the ACOA program since
June 2, 1997 to the date this questioned is answered;
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(b) the location, by province and riding, for each approved
project; and
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(c) the financial contribution made by ACOA for each
approved project?
Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-361-75.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5) the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:
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Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1 to 5.
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Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30.
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Group No. 3 -- Motions Nos. 9 and 28.
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Group No. 4 -- Motion No. 10.
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Group No. 5 -- Motions Nos. 11 to 17.
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Group No. 6 -- Motions Nos. 18, 20, 22 and 23.
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Group No. 7 -- Motions Nos. 19, 25 to 27 and 29.
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Group No. 8 -- Motions Nos. 21 and 24.
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Group No. 9 -- Motion No. 31.
Group No. 1
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Lefebvre (Champlain), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 2, be amended
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(a) by replacing lines 31 and 32 on page 2 with the following:
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"Minister, on the recommendation of the standing committee of the House of
Commons that normally considers matters relating to human resources
development, to hold office during good"
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(b) by adding after line 35 on page 2 the following:
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"(1.1) Before making a recommendation to the Minister under subsection (1),
the committee referred to in that subsection shall hold public hearings to
hear the representations of any person seeking nomination as a candidate
for the offices of Chairperson or Vice-Chairperson or wishing to make
representations with respect to any candidate under consideration by the
committee."
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Lefebvre (Champlain), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 35 on page 2 the following:
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"(1.1) The terms referred to in subsection (1) shall not be renewed."
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Lefebvre (Champlain), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 36 to 40 on page 2 and lines 1 to 14 on page 3 with the following:
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"(2) Subject to subsection (3), the members of the Board other than the
Chairperson and the Vice-Chairpersons are to be appointed by the Minister
on the recommendation of the standing committee of the House of Commons
that normally considers matters relating to human resources development, to
hold office during good behaviour for terms not exceeding three years each,
subject to removal by the Minister at any time for cause.
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(2.1) Before the standing committee referred to in subsection (2) makes
recommendations to the Minister for the purposes specified in that
subsection, the committee shall hold at least one hearing at which it shall
invite the organizations representative of employees or employers to submit
names of candidates for the positions referred to in that subsection.
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(3) The members of the Board appointed pursuant to paragraph 9(2)(e)
are to be appointed by the Minister, on the recommendation of the standing
committee of the House of Commons that normally considers matters relating
to human resources development, to hold office during good behaviour for
terms not exceeding three years each, subject to removal by the Minister at
any time for cause."
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Lefebvre (Champlain), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 13 to 20 on page 5 with the following:
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"12.03 (1) If the Chairperson of the Board is absent or
unable to act, a Vice-Chairperson designated by the Minister acts
as Chairperson for the time being, and a Vice-Chairperson so
designated has and may exercise all the powers and perform all
the duties and functions of the Chairperson.
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(2) If the office of Chairperson is vacant, a person chosen by a vote of a
majority of the members of the Board present when the vote is taken shall
act as Chairperson."
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Lefebvre (Champlain), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 44 on page 7 with the following:
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"tions, if any, to the Minister and to the standing committee of the House
of Commons that normally considers matters relating to human resources
development."
Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1 to 5).
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After one minute, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1 to 5).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After eleven minutes, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1 to 5).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1.
The question was put on Motions Nos. 1 to 5 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.
Groupe No. 2
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-19 be amended by deleting Clause 6.
Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing lines 22 to 24 on page 14 with the following:
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``13. Subsections 29(1) and (2) of the Act are replaced by the following:
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29.(1) The Board shall, for the purpose of satisfying itself
as to whether employees in a unit wish to have a particular trade
union represent them as their bargaining agent, order that a
representation vote be taken among the employees in the unit
where it is satisfied that at least thirty-five per cent of the
employees in the unit are members of the trade unit applying for
certification.
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(2) Any person who was not an employee''
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 16, be amended by replacing lines 3 to 9 on page 16 with the following:
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``(4.1) On application by one or more employers of employees in the
bargaining unit, the Board may revoke the appointment of the employer
representative and appoint a new representative.''
Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 30, -- That Bill C-19 be amended by deleting Clause 46.
Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After two minutes, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After one minute, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After one minute, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After one minute, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
MOTIONS
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the members of the Standing Committee on Transport and the necessary staff be authorized to travel to Western Canada from May 20 to 23, 1998, to gather information in relation to their study on the national passenger rail system.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After one minute, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After eight minutes, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities with an amendment;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 6 to 8 and 30).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should dissolve the regional development agencies, including ACOA, Ford-Q, WED, and FedNor, and redirect funds targeted for the agencies toward tax relief, debt retirement, and the reduction of the size of the federal government. (Private Members' Business M-224)
Debate arose thereon.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After five minutes, a quorum was found.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
The House resumed consideration of Motion M-244 of Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North).
The debate continued.
Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.
RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report on the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act, S.C. 1988, c. 28, ss. 231 and 238. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-448. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations)
-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Reports of the Canadian International Trade Tribunal for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1998, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-361-551. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)
PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION
At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
ADJOURNMENT
At 6:35 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).