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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 042
Tuesday, December 2, 1997
10:00 a.m.
PRAYERS
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:
-- Nos. 361-0164 and 361-0166 concerning nudity. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361- 7D.
Motions
By unanimous consent, Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That, in accordance with subsection 54(3) of An Act to extend the present laws of Canada that provide access to information under the control of the Government of Canada, Chapter A-1 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985, this House approve the reappointment of John Grace as Information Commissioner, to hold office until April 30, 1998.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That, with respect to Bill C-24, An Act to provide for the resumption and continuation of postal services:
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1. No later than 4:00 p.m. this day, any proceedings before
the House shall be interrupted and all questions necessary
for the completion of the second reading stage shall be put
without further debate;
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2. At the beginning of the Committee of the Whole stage, any
Member wishing to propose an amendment or amendments shall
table the same and the said amendment or amendments, if
found to be in order, shall be deemed to have been duly
proposed at the appropriate point in the proceedings of the
Committee, provided that no later than 6:30 p.m. this day,
proceedings before the Committee shall be interrupted and
all questions necessary for the completion of the Committee
of the Whole stage shall be put without further debate;
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3. No later than 10:00 p.m. this day, any proceedings before
the House shall be interrupted and all questions necessary
for the completion of the third reading stage shall be put
without further debate.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
-- by Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), one concerning the Canadian flag (No. 361-0260);
-- by Mr. O'Reilly (Victoria -- Haliburton), one concerning nuclear weapons (No. 361-0261);
-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 361-0262);
-- by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), one concerning the Canada Pension Plan (No. 361-0263).
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The Order was read for the second reading and reference to a Committee of the Whole of Bill C-24, An Act to provide for the resumption and continuation of postal services.
Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
Debate arose thereon.
TABLING OF DOCUMENTS
The Speaker laid upon the table, -- Report of the Auditor General of Canada to the House of Commons (Volume 2 -- December 1997), pursuant to the Act to amend the Auditor General Act (reports), S. C. 1994, c. 32, s. 2. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560- 361-64A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(e), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts)
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), -- That Bill C-24, An Act to provide for the resumption and continuation of postal services, be now read a second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The debate continued.
At 4:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division--Vote No 48)
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bachand -- (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier -- (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz -- (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz -- (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brison -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Cadman -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Casey -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Charest -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé -- (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Elley -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray -- (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey -- (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill -- (Macleod) -- Hill -- (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Jordan -- Keddy -- (South Shore) -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour -- (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay -- (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Martin -- (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay -- (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills -- (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills -- (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Obhrai -- O'Brien -- (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Pankiw -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard -- (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott -- (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant) -- Stewart -- (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson -- (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White -- (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 201
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Alarie -- Axworthy -- (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand -- (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Dubé -- (Lévis) -- Dumas -- Earle -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin -- (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin -- (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Lill -- Mancini -- Marchand -- Martin -- (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Nystrom -- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Riis -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Wasylycia-Leis -- 55
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Anderson -- Asselin -- Baker -- Bernier -- (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Duceppe -- Eggleton -- Karetak-Lindell -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Martin -- (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien -- (Labrador) -- Perron
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.
Pursuant to Order made Monday, December 1, 1997, the Committee considered the Bill and reported it with the following amendment:
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Clause 9
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Replacing lines 38 to 46 on page 4 and lines 1 to 12 on page 5 with the
following:
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"9. The mediator-arbitrator shall be guided by the need
for terms and conditions of employment that are consistent
with the Canada Post Corporation Act and the viability and
financial stability of Canada Post, taking into account
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(a) that the Canada Post Corporation must, without recourse to undue
increases in postal rates,
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(i) operate efficiently,
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(ii) improve productivity, and
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(iii) meet acceptable standards of service; and
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(b) the importance of good labour-management relations between the
Canada Post Corporation and the union."
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That Bill C-24, An Act to provide for the resumption and continuation of postal services, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division--Vote No 49)
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bachand -- (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier -- (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz -- (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brison -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Casey -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Charest -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé -- (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Elley -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray -- (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey -- (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill -- (Macleod) -- Hill -- (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Jordan -- Keddy -- (South Shore) -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour -- (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay -- (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay -- (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills -- (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills -- (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien -- (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Pankiw -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard -- (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Schmidt -- Scott -- (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant) -- Stewart -- (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson -- (Charlotte) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 195
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Alarie -- Axworthy -- (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand -- (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Dubé -- (Lévis) -- Dumas -- Earle -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin -- (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin -- (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Lill -- Mancini -- Marchand -- Martin -- (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Nystrom -- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Riis -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stoffer -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Wasylycia-Leis -- 55
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Anderson -- Asselin -- Baker -- Bernier -- (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Duceppe -- Eggleton -- Karetak-Lindell -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Martin -- (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien -- (Labrador) -- Perron
Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage.
Pursuant to Order made Monday, December 1, 1997, Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.
Debate arose thereon.
QUORUM
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After two minutes, a quorum was found.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), -- That Bill C-24, An Act to provide for the resumption and continuation of postal services, be now read a third time and do pass.
The debate continued.
At 10:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division--Vote No 50)
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bachand -- (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier -- (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz -- (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Casey -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Charest -- Chrétien -- (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Drouin -- Dubé -- (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Elley -- Epp -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray -- (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey -- (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill -- (Macleod) -- Hill -- (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy -- (South Shore) -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour -- (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay -- (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Martin -- (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay -- (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills -- (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Obhrai -- O'Brien -- (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Pankiw -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard -- (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott -- (Fredericton) -- Shepherd -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant) -- Stewart -- (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson -- (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White -- (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 198
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Alarie -- Axworthy -- (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand -- (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Dubé -- (Lévis) -- Dumas -- Earle -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin -- (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin -- (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Lill -- Mancini -- Marchand -- Martin -- (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Nystrom -- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Proctor -- Riis -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stoffer -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- 56
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Anderson -- Asselin -- Baker -- Bernier -- (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Brown -- de Savoye -- Duceppe -- Eggleton -- Karetak-Lindell -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Martin -- (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien -- (Labrador) -- Perron
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That this House do now adjourn.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
ADJOURNMENT
At 10:29 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).