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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 006

Monday, September 29, 1997

11:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

ADDRESS IN REPLY TO THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park), seconded by Mr. Drouin (Beauce), -- That the following Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada:

      To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roméo A. LeBlanc, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
    MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
      We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament;

And of the amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North), -- That the following words be added to the Address:

    ``and this House regrets that your Government is proposing a legislative program that is mired in the past, out of touch with the present, and incapable of leading Canadians with foresight and vigour into the 21st century.''

The debate continued.

Mr. Proctor (Palliser), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved the following sub-amendment, -- That the amendment be modified by adding after the words ``legislative program that'' the following:

    ``in failing to set targets and timetables to reduce unemployment and in failing to strengthen national programs such as medicare which promote the equality of all Canadians and the unity of the country, is an affront to fundamental Canadian values.''

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the table, -- Report of the Privacy Commissioner, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 40(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-626. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1) on motion of Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Kenney (Calgary Southeast), Bill C-214, An Act to allow taxpayers to inform government of their views on levels and priorities for the expenditure of tax revenues and to provide for parliamentary review of the results, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1) on motion of Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), Bill C-215, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Section 227), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1) on motion of Mr. Gilmour (Nanaimo -- Alberni), seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island-North), Bill C-216, An Act to amend the Access to Information Act (Crown corporations), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1) on motion of Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay -- Columbia), Bill C-217, An Act to amend the Access to Information Act (disclosure of results of public opinion polls), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1) on motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mrs. Redman (Kitchener Centre), Bill C-218, An Act to amend the Divorce Act (marriage counselling required before divorce granted), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Malhi (Bramalea -- Gore -- Malton), one concerning gasoline pricing (No. 361-0023);

-- by Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), one concerning the Canada Pension Plan (No. 361- 0024);

-- by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam), seven concerning parental rights (Nos. 361-0025 to 361-0031).

ADDRESS IN REPLY TO THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park), seconded by Mr. Drouin (Beauce);

And of the amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Proctor (Palliser), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac).

The debate continued.

At 6:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 50(6), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the sub-amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 2)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duncan -- Earle -- Elley -- Epp -- Gilmour -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Hayes -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Manning -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 77

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leung -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 168

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Caccia -- Crête -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Duhamel -- Finestone -- Fournier -- Gagliano -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Karygiannis -- Lavigne -- Lincoln -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Steckle

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 3)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Cadman -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Hayes -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lefebvre -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Manning -- Marceau -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 99

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 145

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Caccia -- Crête -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Duhamel -- Finestone -- Fournier -- Gagliano -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Karygiannis -- Lavigne -- Lincoln -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Steckle

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of the Environment) -- Reports of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-361-693. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:45 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).