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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 070

Tuesday, March 10, 1998

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 361-0333, 361-0334, 361-0358 and 361-0372 concerning radio and television programming. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545- 361-42;

-- No. 361-0342 concerning national holidays. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-43.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Lee (Scarborough -- Rouge River), from the Standing Joint Committee on Scrutiny of Regulations, presented the 2nd Report of the Committee (Report No. 61 -- Royal Canadian Mounted Police Regulations, 1998). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-41.

A copy or the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 6) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters' death benefits (No. 361-0518);

-- by Mr. Bellemare (Carleton -- Gloucester), one concerning the Federal Public Service (No. 361-0519);

-- by Ms. Bradshaw (Moncton), two concerning the Canadian Armed Forces (Nos. 361-0520 and 361-0521).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Adams (Peterborough) presented the answer to question Q-60 on the Order Paper.

PRIVILEGE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), seconded by Mr. Muise (West Nova), -- That certain statements attributed to Members of the House of Commons, appearing on page 7 of the March 8, 1998 Ottawa Sun, which may bring into question the integrity of the House of Commons and its servant the Speaker, be referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Mr. de Savoye (Portneuf), seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères), -- That the motion be amended by adding, between the words ``referred'' and ``to the Standing Committee'', the word ``immediately''.

The debate continued.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, --

    That the business taken up this day under Government Orders be consideration of the Budget;
    That immediately after completion of the aforementioned business, at 6:30 p.m., all questions necessary for the disposal of the motion of the Member for Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough for a reference to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs shall be put without further debate or amendment; and
    That immediately thereafter there shall be no proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38, but a motion to adjourn shall be deemed to have been proposed and shall be debated for no more than three hours, during which time Members may speak on economic affairs for no more than ten minutes each, provided that no quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for consent to propose any other motion may be received and provided that, at the end of three hours or when no Member rises to speak, whichever is earlier, the motion shall be deemed to have been adopted.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

PRIVILEGE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), seconded by Mr. Muise (West Nova);

And of the amendment of Mr. de Savoye (Portneuf), seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères).

The debate continued.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Deputy Prime Minister), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 5)

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Deputy Prime Minister), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 5)

The debate continued.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That Standing Order 95(2) be deleted and the following substituted therefor:

      95(2) When an item of Private Members' Business that is not votable is proposed, the Member moving the item shall speak for not more than fifteen minutes. Thereafter, no Member shall speak for more than ten minutes for a period not exceeding forty minutes. After forty minutes, or earlier if no other Member rises in debate, the Member moving the said item shall, if he or she chooses, speak again for not more than five minutes and thereby conclude the debate.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Deputy Prime Minister), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 5)

The debate continued.

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 84(6), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 97)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nunziata -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 146

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Harris -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 119

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Barnes -- Canuel -- de Savoye -- Fournier -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- McCormick -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- St-Hilaire -- Volpe


At 6:35 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), seconded by Mr. Muise (West Nova), -- That certain statements attributed to Members of the House of Commons, appearing on page 7 of the March 8, 1998 Ottawa Sun, which may bring into question the integrity of the House of Commons and its servant the Speaker, be referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on the amendment of Mr. de Savoye (Portneuf), seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères), -- That the motion be amended by adding, between the words ``referred'' and ``to the Standing Committee'', the word ``immediately''.

The question was put on the amendment and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 98)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 193

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Harris -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Manning -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nunziata -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 66

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Barnes -- Canuel -- de Savoye -- Fournier -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- McCormick -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- St-Hilaire -- Volpe

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion, as amended, of Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), seconded by Mr. Muise (West Nova), -- That certain statements attributed to Members of the House of Commons, appearing on page 7 of the March 8, 1998 Ottawa Sun, which may bring into question the integrity of the House of Commons and its servant the Speaker, be referred immediately to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 99)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Shepherd -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 205

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Manning -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Serré -- Solberg -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Vellacott -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 52

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Barnes -- Canuel -- de Savoye -- Fournier -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- McCormick -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- St-Hilaire -- Volpe

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, pursuant to Order made made earlier today, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 10:01 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).