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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 044

Tuesday, February 8, 2000

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

STATEMENT BY THE SPEAKER

A question of privilege having been raised by Mr. Chatters (Athabasca) concerning Bill C-206, An Act to amend the Access to Information Act and to make amendments to other Acts, standing on the Order Paper in the name of Mr. Bryden (Wentworth -- Burlington), the Speaker directed, pursuant to Standing Order 94(1)(a), that the Order be dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Lee (Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 362-0375 concerning international trade. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-54-02;

-- No. 362-0376 concerning the issuing of visas. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-57-02;

-- Nos. 362-0393 and 362-0394 concerning gasoline additives. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-33-04;

-- No. 362-0399 concerning health care services. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-34-05.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 14th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

      The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following changes in the membership of Standing Committees:

Canadian Heritage
Irwin Cotler for John Godfrey

Citizenship and Immigration
Grant McNally for Jack Ramsay

Environment and Sustainable Development
Dennis Gruending for Peter Mancini

Fisheries and Oceans
Marcel Proulx for Claude Drouin

Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Keith Martin for Bob Mills

Health
Bob Mills for Keith Martin
Maurice Vellacott for Gurmant Grewal
Marcel Proulx for Bernard Patry

Human Resources Development and the
Status of Persons with Disabilities

Judy Sgro for Karen Redman

Industry
Dan McTeague for Brenda Chamberlain

Public Accounts
Judy Sgro for George Proud

      The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:

Citizenship and Immigration
Judy Sgro

Environment and Sustainable Development
Peter Mancini
Judy Sgro

Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Irwin Cotler
Dennis Gruending
Marcel Proulx

Justice and Human Rights
Irwin Cotler
Dennis Gruending
Judy Sgro

      The Committee further recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 107, that the following Members be appointed as Associate Members of the Liaison Committee:
    Bill Blaikie Grant McNally
    Michelle Dockrill Lorne Nystrom
    Yvon Godin Chuck Strahl
    Jay Hill
      The Committee further recommends that where a Member is appointed as permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to which he was previously appointed Associate Member, the name of the Member be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Sekora (Port Moody -- Coquitlam -- Port Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Alcock (Winnipeg South), Bill C-420, An Act to establish a National Organ Donor Registry and to coordinate and promote organ donation throughout Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

Mr. Stoffer (Sackville-Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), seconded by Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), moved, -- That the First Report of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, presented on Wednesday, December 15, 1999, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 362-0495) and one concerning child poverty (No. 362-0496);

-- by Mr. Plamondon (Bas-Richelieu -- Nicolet -- Bécancour), one concerning the labelling of food products (No. 362-0497);

-- by Mr. Borotsik (Brandon -- Souris), one concerning child poverty (No. 362-0498);

-- by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), one concerning child poverty (No. 362-0499);

-- by Mr. de Savoye (Portneuf), one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 362-0500);

-- by Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre), one concerning marriage (No. 362- 0501);

-- by Mr. Maloney (Erie -- Lincoln), one concerning child poverty (No. 362-0502).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-15, Q-17, Q-20, Q-39, Q-44, Q-53 and Q-68 on the Order Paper.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-1 -- Mr. Scott (Skeena) -- Could the government provide a list of all Chiefs in Canada and the amount of their salaries for the following fiscal years: (a) 1994; (b) 1995; (c) 1996; and (d) 1997?

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-362-1.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-21 -- Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt) -- With respect to cancer and cancer research in Canada, what has the government determined to be: (a) the incidence and fatality rates for breast cancer within the female population expressed as a percentage of all Canadian women; (b) the incidence and fatality rates for prostate cancer within the male population expressed as a percentage of all Canadian men; (c) the total amount of federal tax dollars put towards breast cancer research in the last five recorded fiscal years; and (d) the total amount of federal tax dollars put towards prostate cancer research in the last five recorded fiscal years?

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-362-21.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-27 -- Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- With respect to Mr. Ole Ingstrup, Commissioner of the Corrections Service Canada, will the government provide a detailed breakdown of Mr. Ingstrup's business related travel expenses?

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-362-27.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-30 -- Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver -- Sunshine Coast) -- With regard to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) and the Residential Rehabilitation Assistance Program: (a) how many CMHC offices administer the program across Canada, and in what locations; (b) how many grants were distributed by each office and in what amounts for each of the years 1995 through 1998; (c) what was the average amount of the grants, in dollars, awarded for each of the same years; (d) how many applications did each office receive for each of these years and how many of these applications received grants; and (e) what is the current waiting list or backlog of applications for each office administering these grants?

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-362-30.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), moved, -- That this House express its concern over the gross mismanagement of more than one billion annually in grants and contributions from the Department of Human Resources Development, its support for the doctrine of ministerial responsibility, and its lack of confidence in the Minister of Human Resources Development.

Debate arose thereon.

Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by adding after the words ``express its'' the following:

    ``deep''

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

TABLING OF DOCUMENTS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Copy of an article from the Madawaska-Restigouche Bulletin dated summer of 1999. -- Sessional Paper No. 8530-362-5.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 663)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Brien -- Brison -- Cadman -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Desjarlais -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Gruending -- Guay -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Harris -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Konrad -- Lalonde -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- McNally -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Price -- Proctor -- Reynolds -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 104

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Julien -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 142

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Goodale -- Lefebvre

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley).

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 664)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Brien -- Brison -- Cadman -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Desjarlais -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Gruending -- Guay -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Harris -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Konrad -- Lalonde -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- McNally -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Price -- Proctor -- Reynolds -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 105

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Julien -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 143

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Goodale -- Lefebvre

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:01 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Herron (Fundy -- Royal), seconded by Mrs. Wayne (Saint John), moved, -- That the Standing Committee on Industry review policies currently in place that affect the Canadian shipbuilding industry in order to assess their ability to provide a competitive and equitable environment for growth of the industry in Canada. (Private Members' Business M-71)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.


At 7:01 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), Mr. Scott (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central), moved, -- That a legislative committee of this House be instructed to prepare and bring in a bill, in accordance with Standing Order 68(4)(b), to remedy the weaknesses of the Privacy Act, including providing relief or compensation for persons who suffer as a result of improper disclosure of their private information and imposing penalties for those who willfully violate the provisions of the Privacy Act. (Private Members' Business M-19)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph -- Wellington), two concerning child poverty (Nos. 362-0503 and 362-0504);

-- by Mr. Wilfert (Oak Ridges), one concerning child poverty (No. 362-0505).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:52 p.m., by unanimous consent, the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:57 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).