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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 133
Monday, January 28, 2002
11:00 a.m.
Prayers
Vacancies
The Speaker informed the House that a vacancy had occurred in the representation in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Saint Boniface, in the Province of Manitoba, by reason of the resignation of Mr. Duhamel, and that, pursuant to paragraph 25(1)(b) of the Parliament of Canada Act, he had addressed, on January 14, 2002, his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for the issue of a writ for the election of a member to fill the vacancy.
The Speaker informed the House that a vacancy had occurred in the representation in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Windsor West, in the Province of Ontario, by reason of the resignation of Mr. Gray, and that, pursuant to paragraph 25(1)(b) of the Parliament of Canada Act, he had addressed, on January 14, 2002, his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for the issue of a writ for the election of a member to fill the vacancy.
The Speaker informed the House that a vacancy had occurred in the representation in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel, in the Province of Quebec, by reason of the resignation of Mr. Gagliano, and that, pursuant to paragraph 25(1)(b) of the Parliament of Canada Act, he had addressed, on January 14, 2002, his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for the issue of a writ for the election of a member to fill the vacancy.
The Speaker informed the House that a vacancy had occurred in the representation in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Bonavista--Trinity--Conception, in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, by reason of the resignation of Mr. Tobin, and that, pursuant to paragraph 25(1)(b) of the Parliament of Canada Act, he had addressed, on January 25, 2002, his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for the issue of a writ for the election of a member to fill the vacancy.
Board of Internal Economy
The Speaker informed the House that, pursuant to the Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act, Chapter 32, Statutes of Canada, 1997, Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton--Melville) had been appointed a member of the Board of Internal Economy to replace Mr. Harris (Prince George--Bulkley Valley) , and Mr. Goodale (Wascana) to replace Mr. Boudria (Glengarry--Prescott--Russell) .
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That a debate pursuant to Standing Order 53.1 take place this day and that the motion for consideration be: "That the Committee take note of the deployment of Canadian Forces personnel in Afghanistan".
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Gray (Deputy Prime Minister) , — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 10)
And of the amendment of Mr. Kenney (Calgary Southeast) , seconded by Mr. Jaffer (Edmonton--Strathcona) , — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:
- “this House rejects the government's budget statement because it fails to provide adequately for the national and economic security of Canada by continuing to underfund Canada's military at the second lowest level of defence expenditure in NATO; by increasing overall spending at a rate nine times faster than the rate of growth in the economy; by failing to reallocate spending from low to high priority areas such as health care and agriculture; by failing to address the long-term slide in Canada's productivity and standard of living; by increasing payroll taxes in the midst of a recession; and by planning for no reduction in Canada's $547 billion debt.”.
The debate continued.
Statements By Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
Daily Routine Of Business
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:
— No. 371-0416 concerning the Employment Insurance program. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-4-07;
— Nos. 371-0454, 371-0474 and 371-0475 concerning Acadians. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-82-01;
— Nos. 371-0466 and 371-0473 concerning international trade. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-15-04;
— Nos. 371-0490 and 371-0493 concerning gasoline additives. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-13-07;
— No. 371-0509 concerning sexual and violent content in the media. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-32-03;
— No. 371-0521 concerning the Robert Latimer case. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-58-05.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre) , seconded by Mr. Harvard (Charleswood St. James--Assiniboia) , Bill C-422, An Act to provide for alternate dispute resolution, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning cruelty to animals (No. 371-0538);
— by Mr. Proctor (Palliser) , one concerning the income tax system (No. 371-0539);
— by Mr. Doyle (St. John's East) , one concerning pornography (No. 371-0540).
Questions on Order Paper
Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-87, Q-88 and Q-95 on the Order Paper.
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following questions was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources:
- Q-81 — Mr. St-Julien (Abitibi--Baie-James--Nunavik)
— Can Natural Resources Canada provide a breakdown by province of each of the department's votes in the 2001-02 Main Estimates, for each of the following industrial sectors: (a) energy; (b) forests; (c) minerals; (d) metals; and (e) geomatics?
- Q-82 — Mr. St-Julien (Abitibi--Baie-James--Nunavik)
— Can Natural Resources Canada provide a breakdown by province of each of the department's votes in the 2001-02 Supplementary Estimates (A), for each of the following industrial sectors: (a) energy; (b) forests; (c) minerals; (d) metals; and (e) geomatics?
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following question was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology:
- Q-85 — Mr. White (North Vancouver)
— With respect to a recent publication of Western Economic Diversification Canada, Access West, which states that small business in Western Canada provided an average of 2,130,900 jobs per year from 1996 to 1999: (a) how many copies of the document were mailed to households in Western Canada; (b) what was the cost of producing and mailing them; (c) how many staff are employed at the “Over 100 Points of Service” referred to in the document; (d) how many staff are employed at the Francophone offices; (e) how many of the small business jobs in Western Canada referred to in the document were created through the efforts of Western Economic Diversification Canada; and (f) were the jobs at Western Economic Diversification Canada included in the 2,130,900 total?
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following question was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade:
- Q-86 — Mr. Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
— With respect to the Challilo Dam project on the Macal River in Belize, will the Minister for International Cooperation indicate to the House: (a) the findings of CIDA's environmental assessment report; (b) all cost incurred by CIDA concerning the dam; (c) CIDA's involvement in approving or encouraging the construction of the dam; (d) any financial ties between CIDA and Fortis Inc.; and (e) any financial ties between CIDA and AMEC E&C Services Ltd.?
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following questions was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations:
- Q-90 — Ms. Davies (Vancouver East)
— With regard to an agreement between the Vancouver Port Commission and the City of Vancouver and 326754BC (Lafarge) to construct a concrete batch plant and subsequent arrangements to build the project on another site, the Sterling site, made by the Vancouver Port Authority : (a) was the Minister of Transport made aware of possible liabilities arising out of the subsequent changes; and (b) if not, what steps will the Minister take so as to be informed, not only as to potential liabilities, but also as to why the Minister was not informed?
- Q-91 — Ms. Davies (Vancouver East)
— With regard to a site acquired by the Vancouver Port Authority (VPA), the Sterling site, on which it proposes to construct a concrete batch plant: (a) what assurances has the Minister of Transport obtained that the project review process will fairly and independently review the application to build a concrete batch plant on this site; (b) what steps will the Minister take to ensure that the VPA adheres to both federal and provincial environmental legislation; and (c) what action will the Minister take to require the VPA to remediate the contaminated site in the spirit of the Canada Marine Act?
- Q-92 — Ms. Davies (Vancouver East)
— With regard to the agreement the Vancouver Port Authority has to construct a concrete batch plant on the Sterling site: (a) what are the terms of the lease agreement for the site; (b) what is the current market value of the site in terms of rents and length of lease; (c) how does that compare to similar property in Vancouver; and (d) has the site been offered to users of the port under similar terms and conditions?
- Q-93 — Ms. Davies (Vancouver East)
— With regard to the Sterling site which the Vancouver Port Authority has an agreement to construct a concrete batch plant on; (a) is the site exempt from provincial legislation; (b) has the VPA or the Minister sought a legal opinion for that exemption; and (c) is the Minister aware of any legal basis under which the VPA may allow construction of a concrete batch plant on Other Real Property, as defined by the Federal Real Property Act, owned by the VPA?
- Q-94 — Mr. Goldring (Edmonton Centre-East)
— For the wholly owned subsidiary of the Canada Lands Company Ltd., located at 200 King Street West in Toronto, can the government provide a list of federal surplus properties disposed of by year and federal constituency since January 1, 1993, including the description of each property, the date each property was put on the market and the date of sale, the asking/proposed and the final selling price of each property, the name and address of each buyer and the process by which it was sold (e.g. sealed bids, noncompetitive, sole source, etc.)?
- Q-99 — Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon--Rosetown--Biggar)
— How many persons are working on a contract basis rather than a term or indeterminate basis for each department, agency, and government business enterprise (including crown corporations, the RCMP, and the Armed Forces)?
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following question was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Finance:
- Q-96 — Mr. Keddy (South Shore)
— With regard to audits performed by the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA): (a) how many audits are performed yearly on: (i) personal income tax returns and (ii) small business tax returns; (b) of these audits, for each of the said items, how many find money owing to CCRA as a result of the audit; (c) what percentage of these audits is appealed; and (d) what is the total number of audits performed annually by CCRA?
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following question was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development:
- Q-97 — Mr. Stoffer (Sackville--Musquodoboit Valley--Eastern Shore)
— In regard to the Tulsequah Chief Mine project: (a) which of the seventy stream crossings, sixty-four culverts and seven bridges to be undertaken in association with the proposed project pose the highest risks to the spawning or rearing habitats of the chinook, sockeye, coho, pink, chum salmon, and to the water quality in the area; (b) which of the proposed undertakings pose the greatest risk to other fish species in the area such as Dolly Varden char and whitefish, and cutthroat, bull and steelhead trout; (c) what are the estimated costs to pump back and treat the metals tailing seepage entering the Shazah wetland as a result of the project operations; (d) what are the concerns of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans related to post-closure issues and road issues including fish passage at crossings, sediment release from the road, the status of roads post-closure, habitat displacement at causeways, and the geotechnical stability of the road; (e) does the government acknowledge and support requests from the community, fishermen associations, NGOs, and the State of Alaska for the project to be referred to the Pacific Salmon Commission for study and recommendations, and if not, why not; (f) will government approval for the project constitute a breach of the “safe passage” provision in the Pacific Salmon Treaty, and if not, why not; (g) what is the government's methodology for the calculation of reclamation bonding to limit taxpayer liability given the mine's remote location and acid mine drainage risks to critical fish habitat; and (h) why has the site never been reclaimed and acid drainage from the mine, identified by Environment Canada in 1995 as acutely toxic to fish, been allowed to continue to flow into the Tulsequah River?
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(5), the failure of the Ministry to respond to the following question was deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights:
- Q-98 — Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton--Melville)
— Concerning the implementation of the Canadian Firearms Program: (a) what is the projected cost to fully implement and operate the program and enforce the legislation; and (b) what is the cost to the Canadian economy including the projected impact on: (1) the number of firearms owners; (2) the number of hunters; (3) the number of visitors to Canada; (4) tourism and outfitting operations; (5) wildlife populations; (6) aboriginal people, communities, business and employment; (7) international trade; (8) shooting sports; (9) Olympic and international shooting competitions; (10) firearms and ammunition manufacturing, sales and service; (11) sporting goods sales and manufacturing; (12) recreational vehicle sales and manufacturing; (13) gun shows; (14) gun clubs and shooting ranges; (15) firearms collectors and museums; (16) movie and television production; (17) heritage and historical re-enactments; (18) employment in all impacted industries and activities?
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Gray (Deputy Prime Minister) ; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 10)
And of the amendment of Mr. Kenney (Calgary Southeast) , seconded by Mr. Jaffer (Edmonton--Strathcona) .
The debate continued.
At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 84(5), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.
The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:
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Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the debate this day pursuant to Standing Order 53.1 be extended for no more than 110 minutes; during the whole of the said debate, no quorum calls may be received; and after the expiration of the initial four hours, the time allotted to each member shall be no more than 10 minutes, inclusive of any questions and comments.
Government Orders
At 6:50 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole for the consideration of the following motion, — That the Committee take note of the deployment of Canadian Forces personnel in Afghanistan. (Government Business No. 22)
Midnight
At 12:16 a.m., pursuant to Order made on Monday, January 28, 2002, the Committee rose.
Messages from the Senate
Messages were received from the Senate as follows:
— ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-7, An Act in respect of criminal justice for young persons and to amend and repeal other Acts, with the following amendment:
Page 38, clause 38:
(a) Replace lines 27 and 28 with the following:
“for that offence;
(d) all available sanctions other than custody that are reasonable in the circumstances should be considered for all young persons, with particular attention to the circumstances of aboriginal young persons; and
(e) subject to paragraph (c), the sentence”;
(b) Renumber all references to paragraph 38(2)(d) as references to paragraph 38(2)(e); and
Page 57, clause 50:
(c) Replace line 23 with the following:
“except for paragraph 718.2(e) (sentencing principle for aboriginal offenders), sections 722 (victim impact state-”.
— ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate of Canada recommends that the Government of Canada recognize the date of August 15th as Fête nationale des Acadiens et Acadiennes, given the Acadian people's economic, cultural and social contribution to Canada.
Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following paper, deposited with the Clerk of the House, was deemed laid upon the Table on Wednesday, December 19, 2001:
— by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) — Report of the President of the Treasury Board on Official Languages in Federal Institutions for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Official Languages Act, R.S. 1985, c. 31 (4th Supp.), s. 48. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-570-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following papers, deposited with the Clerk of the House, were deemed laid upon the Table on Wednesday, January 16, 2002:
— by Mr. Goodale (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) — Orders in Council approving certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:
— P.C. 2001-2230 and P.C. 2001-2390. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-1-11. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)
— P.C. 2001-2267, P.C. 2001-2269, P.C. 2001-2270, P.C. 2001-2376, P.C. 2001-2377, P.C. 2001-2378 and P.C. 2001-2379. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-3-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)
— P.C. 2001-2363, P.C. 2001-2364, P.C. 2001-2365, P.C. 2001-2366, P.C. 2001-2367, P.C. 2001-2368, P.C. 2001-2369, P.C. 2001-2370, P.C. 2001-2371 and P.C. 2001-2415. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-14-18. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)
— P.C. 2001-2384. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-9-08. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)
— P.C. 2001-2412 and P.C. 2001-2413. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-8-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)
— P.C. 2001-2391, P.C. 2001-2392 and P.C. 2001-2393. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-18-12. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Health)
— P.C. 2001-2394 and P.C. 2001-2395. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-16-18. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)
— P.C. 2001-2232, P.C. 2001-2268, P.C. 2001-2399, P.C. 2001-2400, P.C. 2001-2401 and P.C. 2001-2402. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-22-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)
— P.C. 2001-2229, P.C. 2001-2381, P.C. 2001-2382, P.C. 2001-2383, P.C. 2001-2385, P.C. 2001-2386, P.C. 2001-2387 and P.C. 2001-2388. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-13-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)
— P.C. 2001-2223. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-5-11. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)
— P.C. 2001-2224, P.C. 2001-2225, P.C. 2001-2226, P.C. 2001-2372, P.C. 2001-2373, P.C. 2001-2374 and P.C. 2001-2375. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-24-18. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)
— by Mr. Manley (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Infrastructure and Crown Corporations) — Copy of Regulations amending the United Nations Suppression of Terrorism Regulations (SOR/2001-526), pursuant to the United Nations Act, R.S. 1985, c. U-2, sbs. 4(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-592-08. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
— by Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) — Report of the Law Commission of Canada entitled "Beyond Conjugality: Recognizing and supporting close personal adult relationships" pursuant to the Act respecting the Law Commission of Canada, S.C. 1996, c. 9, s. 24. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)
— by Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) — Statutes of the Northwest Territories for September 2001, pursuant to the Northwest Territories Act, R.S. 1985, c. N-22, sbs. 21(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-388-05. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)
— by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade) — Report of the Canadian Commercial Corporation for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-781-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)
Adjournment
At 12:17 a.m., pursuant to Order made on Monday, January 28, 2002, the Speaker adjourned the House until later today at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).