HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37^TH PARLIAMENT, 1^st SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 080

Tuesday, September 18, 2001

10:00 a.m.

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PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. O'Reilly (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence) laid upon the Table, -- Reports of the National Defence and Canadian Forces Ombudsman for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-856-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Orders in Council concerning certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

-- P.C. 2001-1203, P.C. 2001-1204, P.C. 2001-1309, P.C. 2001-1311, P.C. 2001-1430 and P.C. 2001-1431. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-1-07. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- P.C. 2001-1312, P.C. 2001-1339, P.C. 2001-1493 and P.C. 2001-1494. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-2-08. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

-- P.C. 2001-1196, P.C. 2001-1197, P.C. 2001-1198, P.C. 2001-1299, P.C. 2001-1300, P.C. 2001-1301, P.C. 2001-1302, P.C. 2001-1303, P.C. 2001-1304, P.C. 2001-1452, P.C. 2001-1453 and P.C. 2001-1454. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-3-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- P.C. 2001-1194, P.C. 2001-1292, P.C. 2001-1296, P.C. 2001-1297, P.C. 2001-1444 and P.C. 2001-1445. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-14-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

-- P.C. 2001-1427, P.C. 2001-1428 and P.C. 2001-1462. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-9-06. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

-- P.C. 2001-1305, P.C. 2001-1306 and P.C. 2001-1307. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-10-06. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

-- P.C. 2001-1202, P.C. 2001-1283, P.C. 2001-1284, P.C. 2001-1437, P.C. 2001-1438, P.C. 2001-1439, P.C. 2001-1440, P.C. 2001-1463, P.C. 2001-1464 and P.C. 2001-1465. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-8-11. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- P.C. 2001-1205, P.C. 2001-1206, P.C. 2001-1207, P.C. 2001-1208, P.C. 2001-1432 and P.C. 2001-1433. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-18-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

-- P.C. 2001-1209, P.C. 2001-1210, P.C. 2001-1211, P.C. 2001-1212, P.C. 2001-1213, P.C. 2001-1214, P.C. 2001-1215, P.C. 2001-1222, P.C. 2001-1319, P.C. 2001-1320, P.C. 2001-1321, P.C. 2001-1322, P.C. 2001-1323, P.C. 2001-1324, P.C. 2001-1443, P.C. 2001-1466, P.C. 2001-1467, P.C. 2001-1468, P.C. 2001-1469, P.C. 2001-1470, P.C. 2001-1471, P.C. 2001-1472, P.C. 2001-1473, P.C. 2001-1474 and P.C. 2001-1490. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-16-12. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

-- P.C. 2001-1332, P.C. 2001-1333, P.C. 2001-1334, P.C. 2001-1335, P.C. 2001-1336, P.C. 2001-1337, P.C. 2001-1338, P.C. 2001-1429, P.C. 2001-1491 and P.C. 2001-1492. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-22-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

-- P.C. 2001-1313, P.C. 2001-1314, P.C. 2001-1315, P.C. 2001-1316, P.C. 2001-1318, P.C. 2001-1460 and P.C. 2001-1461. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-13-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- P.C. 2001-1193, P.C. 2001-1295, P.C. 2001-1441 and P.C. 2001-1442. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-5-06. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

-- P.C. 2001-1199, P.C. 2001-1200, P.C. 2001-1293, P.C. 2001-1294, P.C. 2001-1298, P.C. 2001-1308, P.C. 2001-1310, P.C. 2001-1447, P.C. 2001-1448, P.C. 2001-1449, P.C. 2001-1450, P.C. 2001-1451, P.C. 2001-1601, P.C. 2001-1602 and P.C. 2001-1603. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-24-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Coderre (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development)), Bill C-30, An Act to establish a body that provides administrative services to the Federal Court of Appeal, the Federal Court, the Court Martial Appeal Court and the Tax Court of Canada, to amend the Federal Court Act, the Tax Court of Canada Act and the Judges Act, and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled ``An Act to establish a body that provides administrative services to the Federal Court of Appeal, the Federal Court, the Court Martial Appeal Court and the Tax Court of Canada, to amend the Federal Court Act, the Tax Court of Canada Act and the Judges Act, and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts''.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Sorenson (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), moved, -- That this House call upon the government to introduce anti-terrorism legislation similar in principle to the United Kingdom's Terrorism Act, 2000, and that such legislation provide for:

the naming of all known international terrorist organizations operating in Canada;

a complete ban on fundraising activities in support of terrorism, and provisions for the seizure of assets belonging to terrorists or terrorist organizations;

the immediate ratification of the International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism;

the creation of specific crimes for engaging in terrorist training activities in Canada or inciting terrorist acts abroad from Canada;

the prompt extradition of foreign nationals charged with acts of terrorism, even if the charges are capital offences; and

the detention and deportation to their country of origin of any people illegally in Canada or failed refugee claimants who have been linked to terrorist organizations.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Day (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), seconded by Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver -- Sunshine Coast), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended

(a) by replacing the words ``to introduce'' with the words ``to send to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights no later than November 1, 2001, draft''; and

(b) by adding, after the word ``organizations'' in the last line, the words ``; and that the Committee report to the House no later than February 12, 2002''.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

WAYS AND MEANS

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) laid upon the Table, -- Notice of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Income Tax Act. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 6) -- Sessional Paper No. 8570-371-6.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Sorenson (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mr. Day (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), seconded by Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver -- Sunshine Coast).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 70, NAYS 198

(Division No. 139 -- Vote N^o 139)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 139)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Borotsik -- Brison -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Clark -- Cummins -- Day -- Doyle -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Fitzpatrick -- Forseth -- Gallant -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lunn --  (Saanich -- Gulf Islands) -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McNally -- Meredith -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Moore -- Obhrai -- Pallister -- Pankiw -- Penson -- Peschisolido -- Rajotte -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Skelton -- Solberg -- Sorenson -- Spencer -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Toews -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Yelich -- 70

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bagnell -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Binet -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Carignan -- Carroll -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Comartin -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Cuzner -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laframboise -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lastewka -- Lebel -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marcil -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Ménard -- Mills --  (Toronto -- Danforth) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Pagtakhan -- Paquette -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proulx -- Redman -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Roy -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Scott -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tobin -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 198

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bourgeois -- Cotler -- Duplain -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Perron -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 70, NAYS 199

(Division No. 140 -- Vote N^o 140)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 140)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Borotsik -- Brison -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Clark -- Cummins -- Day -- Doyle -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Fitzpatrick -- Forseth -- Gallant -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lunn --  (Saanich -- Gulf Islands) -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McNally -- Meredith -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Moore -- Obhrai -- Pallister -- Pankiw -- Penson -- Peschisolido -- Rajotte -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Skelton -- Solberg -- Sorenson -- Spencer -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Toews -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Yelich -- 70

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bagnell -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Binet -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Carignan -- Carroll -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Comartin -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Cuzner -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laframboise -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lastewka -- Lebel -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marcil -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Ménard -- Mills --  (Toronto -- Danforth) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Pagtakhan -- Paquette -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proulx -- Redman -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Roy -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Scott -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tobin -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 199

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bourgeois -- Cotler -- Duplain -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Perron -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:05 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), seconded by Mr. Proctor (Palliser), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should immediately, in consultation with provincial and territorial governments, establish a system for the mandatory reporting of adverse drug reactions. (Private Members' Business M-350)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report of Atomic Energy of Canada Limited, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-62-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report on the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2000, pursuant to the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act, S.C. 1988, c. 28, ss. 231 and 238. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-448-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report on the administration of the Canada Petroleum Resources Act for 2000, pursuant to the Canada Petroleum Resources Act, R. S. 1985, c. 36 (2nd Supp.), s. 109. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-455-03. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report on the State of Canada's Forests for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Department of Natural Resources Act, S. C. 1994, c. 41, sbs. 7(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-461-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 35(2), permanently referred to Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Nuclear Safety and Control Act, S. C. 1997, c. 9, s. 72. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-771-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) -- Actuarial Report (Including Cost Certificate) on the Pension Plan for the Canadian Forces as at March 31, 2000, pursuant to the Public Pensions Reporting Act, R.S. 1985, c. 13 (2nd Supp.), sbs. 9(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-49-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

ADJOURNMENT PROCEEDINGS

At 6:56 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:02 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).