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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 106
Tuesday, May 27, 2003
10:00 a.m.
Prayers
Daily Routine Of Business
Introduction of Government Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) , Bill C-38, An Act to amend the Contraventions Act and the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. Wappel (Scarborough Southwest) , from the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, presented the Fourth Report of the Committee, “Aquatic Invasive Species: Uninvited Guests”. — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-81.
Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 13, 14, 22, 25, 29, 30, 40 and 42) was tabled.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
— by Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-1602);
— by Mr. Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin) , four concerning marriage (Nos. 372-1603 to 372-1606) and two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-1607 and 372-1608);
— by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-1609) and one concerning pornography (No. 372-1610);
— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning war on Iraq (No. 372-1611) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-1612).
Questions on Order Paper
Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the returns to the following questions made into Orders for Returns:
Q-177 — Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) — For the past five years: (a) what is the total value of loans outstanding, in default and/or written off by the government with a breakdown for each department and crown corporation; (b) what is the total value of corporate loans outstanding, in default and/or written off by the government with a breakdown for each department and crown corporation; and (c) what is the total amount of individual loans outstanding, in default and/or written off by the government with a breakdown for each department and crown corporation? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-177.
Q-197 — Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) — With regard to the announcement on October 8, 2002 of the $246.5 million aid package for the softwood lumber industry: (a) what actual amounts have been given out as of February 28, 2003 and to whom or to what groups; (b) has Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) kept track of how many employees are taking advantage of the enhanced program; (c) how much has it spent on the enhanced program; (d) is HRDC monitoring the success of the enhanced program and if so, by what criteria is success being measured; (e) has Industry Canada given out any money under the Softwood Industry and Community Adjustment Fund; (f) has Industry Canada received any suggestions for workable ideas for community development and if so, has it or will it be publishing these plans or ideas; (g) has Natural Resources developed a plan for dealing with the pine beetle-killed wood and for containing or eradicating the beetle; (h) has Natural Resources planned how it will create both a centre of excellence for pulp and paper research and a boreal forest research consortium; (i) will they be stand-alone institutions or be connected with an existing school or other institution; and (j) what will their mandate be and will this information be made public? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-197.
Q-204 — Mr. Rajotte (Edmonton Southwest) — With regard to border crossings between Canada and the United States since June 1, 2002: (a) what submissions have been made to the government of the United States; (b) what forms did these submissions take – verbal or written or both; (c) what was on the agenda at any face to face meetings or conference calls; (d) what were the titles of any written submissions; (e) what were the dates of the meetings and/or written submissions; (f) what correspondence, if any, was sent directly to the President of the United States or, if not, to which departments and/or agencies of the United States government were the submissions made; (g) have there been any submissions specifically dedicated to the possibility of a second checkpoint; (h) have there been any submissions specifically dedicated to the proposed 24 hour advance notice for commercial trade; (i) has there been any discussion and/or memoranda within Canadian departments concerning the possibility of sending a trade team or special envoy to the United States with respect to border crossing, trade and/or trade corridors; (j) have Canadian departments received verbal or written submissions from Canadian industries concerning problems with the border, and if so, how many; and (k) have Canadian departments received verbal or written submissions from Canadian exporters concerning a possible decline in trade and/or exports with the United States? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-204.
Q-208 — Mr. Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin) — For each year since 1988, what was the total number of abortions performed in Canada, including: (a) the number of abortions by weeks of gestation (i.e. first, second and third trimester); (b) the number of abortions resulting in complications, by type of complication; (c) the number of subsequent hospitalizations; and (d) the number of deaths as an indirect or direct consequence of an abortion? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-208.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a third time and do pass.
The debate continued.
Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , moved, — That this question be now put.
Debate arose thereon.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, when the House resolves itself into a Comittee of the Whole later this day to consider all Votes under JUSTICE in the Main Estimates, no quorum calls or dilatory motions shall be received by the Speaker after 9:00 p.m.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a third time and do pass;
And of the motion of Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , — That this question be now put.
The debate continued.
The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) , seconded by Mr. Knutson (Secretary of State (Central and Eastern Europe and Middle East)) , — That Bill C-36, An Act to establish the Library and Archives of Canada, to amend the Copyright Act and to amend certain Acts in consequence, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.
The debate continued.
The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.
Tabling of Documents
The Speaker laid upon the Table, — Second Report of the Auditor General of Canada to the House of Commons for the year 2003, pursuant to the Auditor General Act, S.C. 1995, c. 43, s. 3. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-64-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(e), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts)
Statements By Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
Deferred Recorded Divisions
Business of supply
Pursuant to Order made Monday, May 26, 2003, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay—Columbia) , seconded by Mr. Elley (Nanaimo—Cowichan) , — That this House, acknowledging that health issues transcend political borders as seen with the recent outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), express its support for the admission of Taiwan as an Observer to the World Health Organization and call upon the government to actively urge other member states and non-governmental organizations to support this goal.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 163, NAYS: 67
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Government orders
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a third time and do pass.
The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , — That this question be now put.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 147, NAYS: 96
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Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Paradis (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa) (Francophonie)), — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a third time and do pass.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 147, NAYS: 97
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Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) , seconded by Mr. Knutson (Secretary of State (Central and Eastern Europe and Middle East)) , — That Bill C-36, An Act to establish the Library and Archives of Canada, to amend the Copyright Act and to amend certain Acts in consequence, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 218, NAYS: 26
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Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.
Government Orders
The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates with amendments.
Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , seconded by Mr. Byrne (Minister of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) , moved, — That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.
The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety.
Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) for Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.
Debate arose thereon.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, in relation to its studies on the Canadian Coast Guard, custodial management and other fisheries issues, a group comprised of four government members and one member of each of the opposition parties of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans be authorized to travel to Belgium, the United Kingdom, Norway and Iceland, from September 1 to 14, 2003, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) , — That Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety, be now read a third time and do pass.
The debate continued.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, when the House is in Committee of the Whole later today pursuant to Standing Order 81(4)(a), time be allotted to the recognized parties in the House in periods of 20 minutes as follows:
(a) the first period to the Liberal Party, the second, to the Canadian Alliance, the third, to the Bloc Québécois, the fourth, to the Progressive Conservative Party, and the fifth, to the New Democratic Party, and subsequent periods shall be allocated to the parties in proportion to their representation in the House; and
(b) within each 20-minute period, each party may allocate time to one or more of its Members for speeches or for questions and answers, provided that, in the case of questions and answers, the Minister's answer does not exceed the time taken by the question, and provided that, in the case of speeches, Members of the party to which the period is allocated may speak one after the other.
Deferred recorded divisions
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division on Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, was further deferred until Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) , — That Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety, be now read a third time and do pass.
The debate continued.
Messages from the Senate
A message was received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate has passed the following Bill to which the concurrence of the House is desired:
Bill S-13, An Act to amend the Statistics Act.
Private Members' Business
At 5:30 p.m., by unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-325, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (deduction for volunteer emergency service).
Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.
Debate arose thereon.
Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.
Adjournment Proceedings
At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.
At 6:50 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(4)(a), the motion was deemed withdrawn.
Government Orders
At 6:51 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(4)(a), the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole for the consideration of all Votes under JUSTICE in the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2004.
Objection being taken in Committee to a decision of the Chairman (Mr. Kilger) , an appeal was made to the Speaker.
Pursuant to Standing Order 12, the Speaker took the Chair.
Whereupon the Chairman reported as follows:
“Mr. Speaker, it is my duty to report an appeal to you of a decision of the Chair in Committee of the Whole. The situation is as follows:
Having ruled that a motion of the honourable Member for Crowfoot was in order, the Chair called for debate. That decision was challenged by the honourable Member for Delta—South Richmond who argued that the Committee should proceed immediately to vote on the motion.
I respectfully submit the matter to your adjudication in accordance with procedures described at page 776 of Marleau and Montpetit.”
At 10:46 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 11:06 p.m., the sitting resumed.
Whereupon the Speaker made a ruling sustaining the decision of the Chairman of the Committee of the Whole.
The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of all Votes under JUSTICE in the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2004.
At 11:55 p.m., the Committee rose.
Pursuant to Standing Order Order 81(4)(a), the considered Votes were deemed reported.
Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
— by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) — Reports of the Great Lakes Pilotage Authority, Ltd. for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-372-714-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)
Adjournment
At 11:55 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).