HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 24

Thursday, November 7, 2002

10:00 a.m.

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Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, — Performance Reports for the period ended March 31, 2002, as follows:

(1) Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-2;

(2) Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-3;

(3) Canada Customs and Revenue Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-4;

(4) Canada Economic Development for Quebec Regions. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-5;

(5) Canada Industrial Relations Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-6;

(6) Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-7;

(7) Canadian Centre for Management Development. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-8;

(8) Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-9;

(9) Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-10;

(10) Canadian Food Inspection Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-11;

(11) Canadian Forces Grievance Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-12;

(12) Canadian Grain Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-13;

(13) Canadian Heritage. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-14;

(14) Canadian Human Rights Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-15;

(15) Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-16;

(16) Canadian Institutes of Health Research. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-17;

(17) Canadian Intergovernmental Conference Secretariat. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-18;

(18) Canadian International Development Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-19;

(19) Canadian International Trade Tribunal. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-20;

(20) Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-21;

(21) Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-22;

(22) Canadian Space Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-23;

(23) Canadian Transportation Agency. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-24;

(24) Citizenship and Immigration Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-25;

(25) Civil Aviation Tribunal of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-26;

(26) Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-27;

(27) Communication Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-28;

(28) Competition Tribunal. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-29;

(29) Copyright Board Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-30;

(30) Correctional Service Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-31;

(31) Department of Finance Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-32;

(32) Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-33;

(33) Department of Justice Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-34;

(34) Environment Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-35;

(35) Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-36;

(36) Fisheries and Oceans Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-37;

(37) Hazardous Materials Information Review Commission Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-38;

(38) Health Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-39;

(39) Human Resources Development Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-40;

(40) Immigration and Refugee Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-41;

(41) Indian and Northern Affairs Canada and Canadian Polar Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-42;

(42) Indian Residential Schools Resolution Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-43;

(43) Industry Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-44;

(44) Law Commission of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-45;

(45) Military Police Complaints Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-46;

(46) NAFTA Secretariat, Canadian Section. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-47;

(47) National Archives of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-48;

(48) National Battlefields Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-49;

(49) National Defence. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-50;

(50) National Energy Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-51;

(51) National Film Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-52;

(52) National Library of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-53;

(53) National Parole Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-54;

(54) National Research Council Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-55;

(55) National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-56;

(56) Natural Resources Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-57;

(57) Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-58;

(58) Northern Pipeline Agency Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-59;

(59) Office of the Auditor General of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-60;

(60) Office of the Chief Electoral Officer. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-61;

(61) Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-62;

(62) Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-63;

(63) Office of the Correctional Investigator. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-64;

(64) Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-65;

(65) Offices of the Information and Privacy Commissioners. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-66;

(66) Parks Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-67;

(67) Patented Medicine Prices Review Board Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-68;

(68) Privy Council Office. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-69;

(69) Public Service Commission of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-70;

(70) Public Service Staff Relations Board. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-71;

(71) Public Works and Government Services Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-72;

(72) Registry of the Federal Court of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-73;

(73) Royal Canadian Mounted Police. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-74;

(74) RCMP External Review Committee. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-75;

(75) Security Intelligence Review Committee. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-76;

(76) Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-77;

(77) Solicitor General Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-78;

(78) Statistics Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-79;

(79) Status of Women Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-80;

(80) Supreme Court of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-81;

(81) Tax Court of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-82;

(82) Transport Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-83;

(83) Transportation Safety Board of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-84;

(84) Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-85;

(85) Veterans Affairs Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-86;

(86) Western Economic Diversification Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-372-87.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) laid upon the Table, — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 15th Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (subject-matter of Bill C-284) (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-178), presented to the House on Monday, June 10, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-178.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) laid upon the Table, — Report of Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, together with the Auditor General's Report, pursuant to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency Act, S.C. 1999, c. 17, sbs. 88(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-780-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Assad (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) laid upon the Table, — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the Fourth Report of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration (Competing for Immigrants) (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-181), presented to the House on Tuesday, June 11, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-181.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 371-0738 and 371-0766 concerning health care services. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-13-02;

— No. 371-0802 concerning the situation in the Middle East. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-24-01.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the Eighth Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following changes to the lists of members of standing committees:

Fisheries and Oceans

John Efford for Lawrence O'Brien Joe Peschisolido for Wayne Easter

The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:

Agriculture and Agri-Food

Peter Adams

Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

Anita Neville

Procedure and House Affairs

Larry McCormick

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings was tabled.

Motions

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Easter (Solicitor General of Canada) , moved, — That the Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Gouk (Kootenay—Boundary—Okanagan) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0465);

— by Mr. Fontana (London North Centre) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0466) and four concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0467 to 372-0470);

— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0471);

— by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0472), one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0473) and one concerning the sexual exploitation of minors (No. 372-0474);

— by Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0475).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-2 and Q-9 on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration of Bill C-18, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship.

Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) , seconded by Ms. Augustine (Secretary of State (Multiculturalism) (Status of Women)) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Motions

Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , moved, — That a take-note debate on proposals for modernization and improvement of the procedures of the House of Commons shall take place for four hours from the ordinary time of daily adjournment on November 19, 2002, and resuming at the ordinary time of daily adjournment on November 20, 2002, provided that the provisions of Standing Order 53.1 shall apply mutatis mutandis to this debate.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) , seconded by Ms. Augustine (Secretary of State (Multiculturalism) (Status of Women)) , — That Bill C-18, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the Standing Orders be amended as follows:

1. By deleting subsection (b) of section (3) of Standing Order 104 and by redesignating subsection (c) of section (3) of Standing Order 104 as subsection (b);

2. By deleting subsection (b) of section (4) of Standing Order 108 and by redesignating subsection (c) of section (4) of Standing Order 108 as subsection (b);

3. By inserting immediately after subsection (n) of section (2) of Standing Order 104, the words “(o) Official Languages (sixteen Members)” and by redesignating subsections (o), (p) and (q) of section (2) of Standing Order 104, respectively, as subsections (p), (q) and (r);

4. By inserting immediately after subsection (c) of section (3) of Standing Order 108, the following: (d) Official Languages shall include, among other matters, the review of and report on official languages policies and programs, including Reports of the Commissioner of Official Languages, which shall be deemed permanently referred to the Committee immediately after they are laid upon the Table; and

That the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs shall prepare and report to the House within five sitting days after the adoption of this Order a list of Members to compose the Standing Committee on Official Languages.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) , seconded by Ms. Augustine (Secretary of State (Multiculturalism) (Status of Women)) , — That Bill C-18, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

The debate continued.

Private Members' Business

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Casey (Cumberland—Colchester) , seconded by Mr. Mark (Dauphin—Swan River) , moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the recent census taken in 2001 confirms the significant momentum of population towards cities in Canada and given the negative impact this trend will have on smaller and rural communities, the government should take urgent steps to reverse this dangerous trend, namely: (a) changing immigration laws in our country; and (b) implementing a real economic development program for the provinces which are experiencing a real decline in population. (Private Members' Business M-64)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 14th Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (review of the mental disorder provisions of the Criminal Code) (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-177), presented to the House on Monday, June 10, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-177.

— by Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the Fifth Report of the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs (Long-Term Care for Veterans: The West Coast Crisis) (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-183), presented to the House on Wednesday, June 12, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-183.

— by Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 12th Report of the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages (The Justice System and Official Language Communities) (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-190), presented to the House on Friday, June 14, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-190.

Adjournment

At 6:26 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).