HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 40

Friday, December 6, 2002

10:00 a.m.

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The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Whereupon, Mr. Kilger (Stormont—Dundas—Charlottenburgh) , Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to subsection 43(1) of the Parliament of Canada Act.

Prayers

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration of the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act.

Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) for Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , moved, — That, in relation to the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, this House concurs with the Senate's division of the Bill into two parts, namely, Bill C-10A, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearms) and the Firearms Act, and Bill C-10B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals), but

That this House, while disapproving of any infraction of its privileges or rights by the other House, in this case waives its claim to insist upon such rights and privileges, but the waiver of said rights and privileges is not to be drawn into a precedent; and

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours therewith.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake) , seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“, in relation to the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, this House does not concur with the Senate's division of the Bill into two parts, namely, Bill C-10A, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearms) and the Firearms Act, and Bill C- 10B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals), since it is the view of this House that such alteration to Bill C-10 by the Senate is an infringement of the rights and privileges of the House of Commons; and

That this House asks that the Senate consider Bill C- 10 in an undivided form; and

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours therewith.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Naming of a member

The Deputy Speaker named Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot) for disregarding the authority of the Chair and, pursuant to Standing Order 11(1)(a), ordered the Honourable Member to withdraw from the House for the remainder of today's sitting.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-0474 and 372-0541 concerning the sexual exploitation of minors. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-45-02;

— Nos. 372-0487, 372-0488, 372-0493, 372-0496, 372-0521, 372-0523, 372-0535 and 372-0542 concerning stem cell research. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-14-16;

— Nos. 372-0560, 372-0562 and 372-0565 to 372-0567 concerning pornography. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-25-11;

— Nos. 372-0610 to 372-0613 and 372-0630 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-44-02.

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The Deputy Speaker laid upon the Table, — Report of the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for Newfoundland and Labrador 2002, pursuant to the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-3, sbs. 21(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-459-01.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Ms. Karetak-Lindell (Nunavut) , from the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources, presented the Second Report of the Committee (Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts, with amendments). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-18.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 5, 7, 8 and 10) was tabled.

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Ms. Karetak-Lindell (Nunavut) , from the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources, presented the Third Report of the Committee (Bill C-2, An Act to establish a process for assessing the environmental and socio-economic effects of certain activities in Yukon, with amendments). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-19.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 9, 12 and 13) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Davies (Vancouver East) , seconded by Mr. Stoffer (Sackville—Musquodoboit Valley—Eastern Shore) , Bill C-329, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act (student loan), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. LeBlanc (Beauséjour—Petitcodiac) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0723);

— by Mr. Benoit (Lakeland) , six concerning the criminal justice system (Nos. 372-0724 to 372-0729) and one concerning pornography (No. 372-0730);

— by Mr. Bellemare (Ottawa—Orléans) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0731);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-0732) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0733);

— by Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , one concerning emergency preparedness (No. 372-0734);

— by Mr. Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin) , seven concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0735 to 372-0741), five concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0742 to 372-0746) and four concerning unborn children (Nos. 372-0747 to 372-0750).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-39 on the Order Paper.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the returns to the following questions made into Orders for Returns:

Q-26 — Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) — With regard to the risk management of the antimalarial drug mefloquine by Health Canada and the Department of National Defence: (a) what deployments since 1990 involved administration of the drug to members of the Canadian Forces; (b) did Health Canada receive from the Canadian Forces adverse drug event reports for each such deployment either during or immediately following deployment; (c) how many Canadians received the drug under Health Canada’s Lariam Safety Monitoring Study; (d) how many patients were the subject of monitoring reports received by Health Canada directly or indirectly from Roche under the Lariam Safety Monitoring Study; (e) what types of adverse events were identified by the Lariam Safety Monitoring Study up to the time the drug was licensed in 1993; (f) what is the total number of adverse events reported to Health Canada since the commencement of marketing in 1993; (g) how many adverse events were reported to Health Canada since the commencement of the marketing of the drug in 1993 involving each of the following reactions - hallucinations, panic reaction, hyper alertness, extreme excitability, convulsions, aggressive reaction, marked restlessness, suicide, suicidal tendency, suicide attempt, thoughts of self harm, abnormal dreams, emotional disorder, irritability, nightmares, abnormal thinking, anxiety, depressed state, aggravated depression, light-headedness, anxiety attack, mood swings, abnormal crying, psychosis, delusion, speech disorder, concentration impaired, fear, euphoria, hysteria, paranoid psychosis, memory impairment, emotional disorder, murder; (h) what measures have been taken by Health Canada to ensure that it receives notice of such adverse drug events from doctors administering the drug; (i) what changes to the product monograph have been approved by Health Canada since licensing of the drug in 1993; (j) how many Canadian Forces members deployed on special missions abroad since 1990 have committed suicide (i) during the mission, (ii) following the mission, (iii) of these how many had been required to take mefloquine; and (k) what action has been undertaken to investigate the nature and extent of combined mefloquine exposure and post traumatic stress disorder in current and former members of the Canadian Forces members both regular and reserve who have at one time been deployed on special missions abroad? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-26.

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Q-30 — Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon—Humboldt) — With respect to the years 1971, 1976, 1981, 1986, 1991, 1996, and 2001, what has the government through Treasury Board determined to be: (a) the number of federal civil service jobs located in Quebec, excluding the National Capital Region (NCR), expressed as a percentage of all federal civil service jobs in Canada; (b) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (c) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Management” within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (d) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Administrative Support” within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (e) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Administrative and Foreign Service” within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (f) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Scientific and Professional” within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (g) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Technical” within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; and h) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Operational” within Quebec, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-30.

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Q-31 — Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon—Humboldt) — With respect to the years 1971, 1976, 1981, 1986, 1991, 1996, and 2001, what has the government through Treasury Board determined to be: (a) the number of federal civil service jobs located in Ontario, excluding the National Capital Region (NCR), expressed as a percentage of all federal civil service jobs in Canada; (b) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (c) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Management” within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (d) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Administrative Support” within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (e) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Administrative and Foreign Service” within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (f) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Scientific and Professional” within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (g) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Technical” within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; and (h) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Operational” within Ontario, excluding the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-31.

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Q-32 — Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon—Humboldt) — With respect to census information compiled by Statistics Canada for the years 1971, 1976, 1981, 1986, 1991, 1996, and 2001, what has the government determined to be the number of persons – expressed as a percentage of the overall population within each of the regions requested – in: (a) the National Capital Region (NCR), who were listed by mother tongue as i) English ii) French; (b) Ontario, excluding the NCR, who were listed by mother tongue as i) English ii) French; (c) Quebec, excluding the NCR, who were listed by mother tongue as i) English ii) French; and (d) the rest of Canada, excluding Ontario, Quebec and the NCR, who were listed by mother tongue as i) English ii) French? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-32.

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Q-33 — Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon—Humboldt) — With respect to the years 1971, 1976, 1981, 1986, 1991, 1996, and 2001, what has the government through Treasury Board determined to be: (a) the number of federal civil service jobs located in National Capital Region (NCR) expressed as a percentage of all federal civil service jobs in Canada; (b) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs within the NCR held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (c) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Management” within the NCR held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (d) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Administrative Support” within the NCR held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (e) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Administrative and Foreign Service” within the NCR held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (f) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Scientific and Professional” within the NCR, held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; (g) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Technical” within the NCR held by i) anglophones ii) francophones; and (h) the percentage of all federal civil service jobs designated as “Operational” within the NCR held by i) anglophones ii) francophones? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-33.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, when no Member rises to speak during consideration of Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Nuclear Safety and Control Act, the question shall be put and a division thereon deemed to have been requested and deferred until Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dhaliwal (Minister of Natural Resources) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Nuclear Safety and Control Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development) , — That this House call upon the government to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change; (Government Business No. 9)

And of the amendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“this House call upon the government not to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change until an implementation plan is in place that Canadians understand, setting out the costs and benefits and how the targets are to be reached and until the plan can be agreed to by the provinces.”;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , — That the amendment be amended by adding before the word “costs” the word “detailed”.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, during the consideration of Government Business No. 9 later today, the Chair shall not receive any dilatory motions, quorum calls or requests for unanimous consent to propose any other motion and, when no Member rises to speak, the House shall adjourn to the next sitting day.

Notice of Motion

Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) gave notice of intention to move at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 57, that, in relation to the consideration of Government Business No. 9, the debate not be further adjourned.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development) ; (Government Business No. 9)

And of the amendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) ;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) .

The debate continued.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Reports of the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-372-638-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

Adjournment

At 2:30 p.m., the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until Monday at 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).