HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 69

Thursday, February 27, 2003

10:00 a.m.

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Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, — Report of the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for Nova Scotia 2003, pursuant to the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, R.S. 1985, c. E-3, sbs. 21(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-459-07. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-1003 to 372-1007 concerning the Steven Truscott case. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-23-05;

— Nos. 372-1012 to 372-1019, 372-1030 and 372-1037 concerning marriage. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-40-05;

— Nos. 372-1038, 372-1042, 372-1043, 372-1047, 372-1054 and 372-1055 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-44-05;

— Nos. 372-1058 and 372-1134 concerning the fishing industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-22-08;

— Nos. 372-1117, 372-1118 and 372-1133 concerning stem cell research. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-14-28.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Sorenson (Crowfoot) , from the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, presented the Second Report of the Committee (extension of time to consider Bill C-231, An Act to amend the Divorce Act (limits on rights of child access by sex offenders)). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-40.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 3 and 23) was tabled.

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Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , from the Special Committee on the Modernization and Improvement of the Procedures of the House of Commons, presented the Second Report of the Committee (amendments to the Order of reference). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-41.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 6 and 7) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Godin (Acadie—Bathurst) , seconded by Mr. Comartin (Windsor—St. Clair) , Bill C-406, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was resolved, — That the Second Report of the Special Committee on Modernization and Improvement of the Procedures of the House of Commons, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Borotsik (Brandon—Souris) , one concerning national parks (No. 372-1183) and one concerning pornography (No. 372-1184);

— by Mr. Goldring (Edmonton Centre-East) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-1185);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-1186).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, as reported by the Standing Committee on Health with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 6 (Motions Nos. 92 to 94, 96, 98 to 100 and 103 to 106).

Group No. 6

Motion No. 92 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13 be amended by adding after line 35 on page 28 the following new clause:

“59.1 Equivalency and enforcement agreements shall be subject to the following safeguards:

(a) the Minister shall be accountable to Parliament for all equivalency and enforcement agreements;

(b) the public shall be actively consulted on draft agreements before they are finalized;

(c) the draft agreements, together with the comments made by the public, shall be tabled in both Houses of Parliament for comments and recommendations;

(d) the text of all final agreements shall be included in the public information registry established by this Act;

(e) all agreements shall be subject to termination or revocation upon reasonable written notice given by either party;

(f) the Minister may intervene under a saving clause that would enable him or her to take any action deemed necessary for the administration or enforcement of the Act;

(g) five years after this section comes into force, and at the end of each subsequent period of five years, a committee of the House of Commons, of the Senate or of both Houses of Parliament is to be designated or established for the purpose of reviewing this Act; and

(h) as a condition precedent to the signing of an agreement, a government that enters into an agreement with the federal government must agree to comply with the same reporting requirements that apply at the federal level. The other government must also agree to transmit the related data to the Agency for inclusion in the federal personal health information registry and the public information registry.”

Motion No. 94 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 65, be amended

(a) by replacing line 4 on page 30 with the following:

“(c) for the purposes of section 10,”

(b) by replacing line 8 on page 30 with the following:

“(d) specify-”

Motion No. 96 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 65, be amended by adding after line 15 on page 31 the following:

“(s.1) respecting the notification of the Agency under subsection 15(3.1);”

Motion No. 98 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 66, be amended by replacing line 22 on page 32 with the following:

“Parliament shall be referred to the appropriate”

Motion No. 99 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 66, be amended by replacing, in the French version, lines 32 to 43 on page 32 and lines 1 to 9 on page 33 with the following:

“(2.1) Pour l'application du paragraphe (2), le comité compétent de la Chambre des communes est le Comité permanent de la santé ou, à défaut, le comité compétent de la Chambre.

(3) Le règlement ne peut être pris avant le premier en date des jours suivants :

a) le trentième jour de séance suivant le dépôt;

b) le cent soixantième jour civil suivant le dépôt;

c) le lendemain du jour où le comité de chaque chambre du Parlement a présenté son rapport.

(4) Le ministre tient compte de tout rapport établi au titre du paragraphe (2). S'il n'est pas donné suite à l'une ou l'autre des recommandations que contient un rapport, le ministre dépose à la chambre d'où provient celui-ci une déclaration motivée à cet égard.”

Motion No. 93 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 66, be amended by deleting lines 9 to 12 on page 33.

Motion No. 100 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 68, be amended by adding after line 40 on page 33 the following:

“(2.1) Notwithstanding subsection (2), any such agreement must be renewed whenever there is a change in any relevant federal or provincial legislation.”

Motion No. 103 of Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , seconded by Mr. Forseth (New Westminster—Coquitlam—Burnaby) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 71, be amended by deleting lines 5 to 12 on page 35.

Motion No. 104 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 71, be amended by replacing line 6 on page 35 with the following:

“person who undertakes or continues to undertake a specific controlled activity with no change in scope or purpose”

Motion No. 105 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 71, be amended by replacing line 12 on page 35 with the following:

“until a day fixed by the regulations. Once sections 10 to 13 are in force, changes in the scope or purpose of such controlled activity shall require a licence.”

Motion No. 106 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 71, be amended by replacing line 12 on page 35 with the following:

“until 90 days after the coming into force of this Act.”

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 6.

The question was put on Motions Nos. 92 and 94 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 96 and it was agreed to.

The question was put on Motion No. 98 and it was agreed to.

The question was put on Motion No. 99 and it was agreed to.

The question was put on Motions Nos. 93, 100 and 103 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 13, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 29 and 30 on page 4 with the following:

“(a) create a human clone by using any technique, or transplant a human clone into a human being or into any non-human life form or artificial device;”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 14, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing line 32 on page 4 with the following:

“purpose other than human reproduction”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 16, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 35 and 36 on page 4 with the following:

“(c) create an embryo from a cell or part”

Mr. Kenney (Calgary Southeast) , seconded by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , moved Motion No. 17, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by adding after line 5 on page 5 the following:

“(d.1) experiment on or harvest an embryo;”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 18, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 6 and 7 on page 5 with the following:

“(e) perform any procedure or provide,”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 20, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by adding after line 20 on page 5 the following:

“(g.1) transplant a sperm, ovum, embryo or foetus of a human being into a non-human life form;”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 21, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 21 and 22 on page 5 with the following:

“(h) make use of any human reproductive”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 22, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 31 on page 5 with the following:

“life form;

(j) create a hybrid for the purpose of reproduction, or transplant a hybrid into either a human being or a non-human life form; or

(k) clone a human embryo for research or human reproductive purposes.”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 23, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 31 on page 5 with the following:

“life form;

(j) create a hybrid for the purpose of reproduction, or transplant a hybrid into either a human being or a non-human life form; or

(k) combine any part or any proportion of the human genome with any part of the genome of a non-human species.”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 24, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 31 on page 5 with the following:

“life form;

(j) create a hybrid for the purpose of reproduction, or transplant a hybrid into either a human being or a non-human life form; or

(k) cryogenically store embryos once ova storage techniques are perfected to at least the same survival rate of stored in vitro embryos.”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 26, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 28 and 29 on page 5 with the following:

“(j) create a hybrid or transplant a hybrid into”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 27, — That Bill C-13 be amended by adding after line 37 on page 5 the following new clause:

“5.1 No person shall create human reproductive material by the process of parthenogenesis or a similar process.”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 40, — That Bill C-13 be amended by adding after line 23 on page 7 the following new clause:

“9.1 For greater certainty, therapeutic cloning, also referred to as “somatic cell nuclear transfer”, is prohibited.”

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , moved Motion No. 47, — That Bill C-13 be amended by deleting Clause 11.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 Members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After one minute, a quorum was found.

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, as reported by the Standing Committee on Health with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 13, 14, 16 to 18, 20 to 24, 26, 27, 40 and 47).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That if a recorded division is requested on Monday, March 17, 2003, on Ways and Means motion No. 2, it shall be deemed deferred until Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “Non-Paper: Ideas on Bridging the Divide”. — Sessional Paper No. 8530-372-5.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration of the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-12, An Act to promote physical activity and sport.

Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) , seconded by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , moved, — That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-12, An Act to promote physical activity and sport, be now read a second time and concurred in.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

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The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act.

Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Industry) , seconded by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and, by unanimous consent, the recorded division was deferred until Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , — That Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

Private Members' Business

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Bigras (Rosemont—Petite-Patrie) , seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière) , moved, — That in the opinion of this House, the government should take the necessary steps to ratify the Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety. (Private Members' Business M-239)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

— ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament, when and if the Committee is formed, has been authorized to examine the expenditures set out in Parliament Vote 10 of the Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2004.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) — Report on the Employment Equity Act (Labour) for the year 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, s. 20. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-226-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

— by Mr. Jordan (Leeds—Grenville) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-1187), two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-1188 and 372-1189) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-1190).

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 6:50 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).