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| 44th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION | |
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JournalsNo. 366 Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:00 a.m. |
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| Daily Routine Of Business |
Presenting Reports from Committees |
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Ms. Fry (Vancouver Centre), from the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented the 13th report of the committee, "Tech giants’ intimidation and subversion tactics to evade regulation in Canada and globally". — Sessional Paper No. 8510-441-502. |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response. |
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A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 79, 101, 103, 105, 109, 129, 130 and 133) was tabled. |
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Mr. McKay (Scarborough—Guildwood), from the Standing Committee on National Defence, presented the 15th report of the committee, "Rebuilding Trust: Transparency and Accountability in the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces". — Sessional Paper No. 8510-441-503. |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response. |
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A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 92 to 94, 99, 101, 103, 117 and 118) was tabled. |
Introduction of Private Members' Bills |
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Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Blaney (North Island—Powell River), seconded by Ms. Dance (Elmwood—Transcona), Bill C-417, An Act to establish a framework on animal-assisted services for veterans, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. |
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Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Chabot (Thérèse-De Blainville), seconded by Mrs. Gill (Manicouagan), Bill C-418, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act (accessibility and other measures), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. |
Motions |
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Mr. Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South), seconded by Mr. Williams (Bay of Quinte), moved, — That the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, be concurred in. (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 72) |
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Debate arose thereon. |
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Mr. Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes), seconded by Mr. Patzer (Cypress Hills—Grasslands), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following: |
“the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the committee for further consideration, including with respect to the implementation of requirements for financial institutions to disclose climate-related financial information, an initiative which the committee traced back to a 2015 decision of G20 central bank governors, provided that, for the purposes of this study, Mark Carney be ordered to appear as a witness, for at least two hours, at a date and time to be fixed by the Chair of the committee but within 21 days of the adoption of this order.”.
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At 1:13 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings. |
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The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions. |
Presenting Petitions |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows: |
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— by Mr. Morrice (Kitchener Centre), one concerning the environment (No. 441-02829) and one concerning health (No. 441-02830); |
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— by Mr. Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby), one concerning employment and labour (No. 441-02831); |
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— by Mr. Zimmer (Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies), one concerning justice (No. 441-02832); |
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— by Ms. Chagger (Waterloo), one concerning foreign affairs (No. 441-02833). |
| Question of Privilege |
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), — That the government's failure of fully providing documents, as ordered by the House on June 10, 2024, be hereby referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs; |
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And of the amendment of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), — That the motion be amended by adding the following: |
“provided that it be an instruction to the committee:
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(a) that the following witnesses be ordered to appear before the committee, separately, for two hours each:
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(i) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry,
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(ii) the Clerk of the Privy Council,
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(iii) the Auditor General of Canada,
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(iv) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
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(v) the Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada,
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(vi) the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons,
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(vii) the Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada,
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(viii) a panel consisting of the Board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada; and
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(b) that it report back to the House no later than Friday, November 22, 2024.”;
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And of the subamendment of Mr. Muys (Flamborough—Glanbrook), seconded by Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), — That the amendment be amended by adding, after subparagraph (a)(ii), the following: |
"(iii) the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, who respected the order of the House and deposited unredacted documents,
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(iv) Paul MacKinnon, the former Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet (Governance),".
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The debate continued. |
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The question was put on the subamendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions. |
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes), seconded by Mr. McCauley (Edmonton West), — That the House, having considered the unanimous views of the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, expressed in its 12th report, find Stephen Anderson to be in contempt for his failure to provide the information which the committee had ordered him to produce and, accordingly, order him to attend at the bar of this House, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions on the next Wednesday the House sits which is at least one week following the adoption of this order, for the purposes of: |
(a) receiving an admonishment delivered by the Speaker;
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(b) delivering up the records referred to in the 12th report;
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(c) providing responses to the questions referred to in the 12th report; and
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(d) responding to supplementary questions arising from his responses to the questions referred to in the 12th report;
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provided that: |
(e) any records which Mr. Anderson produces shall stand referred to the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics;
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(f) the questioning shall be governed by the provisions of subparagraphs (b)(iv) and (v) of the order adopted on Monday, April 8, 2024, concerning the appearance at the bar of Kristian Firth, except that references to "Mr. Firth" be read as "Mr. Anderson"; and
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(g) it be an instruction to the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics to consider the records produced by Mr. Anderson and his testimony at the bar of the House and, if necessary, recommend further action.
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The debate continued. |
| Statements By Members |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 31, members made statements. |
| Oral Questions |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions. |
| Deferred Recorded Divisions |
Concurrence in Committee Reports |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. Pauzé (Repentigny), seconded by Mr. Simard (Jonquière), — That the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development, presented on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, be concurred in. (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 71) |
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The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 875 -- Vote no 875) | |
| YEAS: 324, NAYS: 0 |
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YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif Dhillon Kusmierczyk Rempel Garner Total: -- 324 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Nil--Aucun |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Duncan (Etobicoke North) Gaudreau Kitchen Mendès Total: -- 4 |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South), seconded by Mr. Williams (Bay of Quinte), — That the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, be concurred in; (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 72) |
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The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes), seconded by Mr. Patzer (Cypress Hills—Grasslands), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following: |
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“the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the committee for further consideration, including with respect to the implementation of requirements for financial institutions to disclose climate-related financial information, an initiative which the committee traced back to a 2015 decision of G20 central bank governors, provided that, for the purposes of this study, Mark Carney be ordered to appear as a witness, for at least two hours, at a date and time to be fixed by the Chair of the committee but within 21 days of the adoption of this order.”.
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The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 876 -- Vote no 876) | |
| YEAS: 118, NAYS: 208 |
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YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif Epp Lewis (Essex) Schmale Total: -- 118 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Alghabra Desbiens Khalid Powlowski Total: -- 208 |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Duncan (Etobicoke North) Gaudreau Kitchen Mendès Total: -- 4 |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 877 -- Vote no 877) | |
| YEAS: 322, NAYS: 0 |
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YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif Diab Lalonde Rodriguez Total: -- 322 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Nil--Aucun |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Fraser Gaudreau Kitchen Mendès Total: -- 4 |
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Privilege |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), — That the government's failure of fully providing documents, as ordered by the House on June 10, 2024, be hereby referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs; |
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And of the amendment of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), — That the motion be amended by adding the following: |
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“provided that it be an instruction to the committee:
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(a) that the following witnesses be ordered to appear before the committee, separately, for two hours each:
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(i) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry,
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(ii) the Clerk of the Privy Council,
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(iii) the Auditor General of Canada,
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(iv) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
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(v) the Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada,
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(vi) the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons,
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(vii) the Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada,
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(viii) a panel consisting of the Board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada; and
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(b) that it report back to the House no later than Friday, November 22, 2024.”;
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The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the subamendment of Mr. Muys (Flamborough—Glanbrook), seconded by Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), — That the amendment be amended by adding, after subparagraph (a)(ii), the following: |
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"(iii) the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, who respected the order of the House and deposited unredacted documents,
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(iv) Paul MacKinnon, the former Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet (Governance),".
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The question was put on the subamendment and it was agreed to on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 878 -- Vote no 878) | |
| YEAS: 172, NAYS: 150 |
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YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif d'Entremont Kwan Roberts Total: -- 172 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Alghabra Dubourg Lalonde Rodriguez Total: -- 150 |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Fraser Gaudreau Kitchen Mendès Total: -- 4 |
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| Question of Privilege |
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), — That the government's failure of fully providing documents, as ordered by the House on June 10, 2024, be hereby referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs; |
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And of the amendment, as amended, of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), — That the motion be amended by adding the following: |
“provided that it be an instruction to the committee:
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(a) that the following witnesses be ordered to appear before the committee, separately, for two hours each:
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(i) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry,
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(ii) the Clerk of the Privy Council,
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(iii) the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, who respected the order of the House and deposited unredacted documents,
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(iv) Paul MacKinnon, the former Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet (Governance),
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(v) the Auditor General of Canada,
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(vi) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
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(vii) the Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada,
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(viii) the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons,
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(ix) the Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada,
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(x) a panel consisting of the Board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada; and
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(b) that it report back to the House no later than Friday, November 22, 2024.”.
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The debate continued. |
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Mr. Kmiec (Calgary Shepard), seconded by Mr. Maguire (Brandon—Souris), moved the following subamendment, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “Friday, November 22, 2024” with the following: |
“the 30th sitting day following the adoption of this order”.
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Debate arose thereon. |
| Messages from the Senate |
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A message was received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate has passed the following bill to which the concurrence of the House is desired: |
| Question of Privilege |
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable); |
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And of the amendment, as amended, of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets); |
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And of the subamendment of Mr. Kmiec (Calgary Shepard), seconded by Mr. Maguire (Brandon—Souris). |
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The debate continued. |
| Messages from the Senate |
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A message was received from the Senate as follows: |
— ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint it that the Senate has passed Bill C-284, An Act to establish a national strategy for eye care, without amendment.
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| Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid before the House as follows: |
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— by the Speaker — Report of the Parliamentary Budget Officer entitled "Costing personal income tax changes: the role of the elasticity of taxable income", pursuant to the Parliament of Canada Act, R.S., 1985, c. P-1, sbs. 79.2(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-1119-132. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance) |
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— by Ms. Anand (President of the Treasury Board) — Report on the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, pursuant to the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Act, S.C. 2005, c. 46, sbs. 38.1(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-1006-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates) |
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— by Ms. Anand (President of the Treasury Board) — Service Fees Report of the Canada School of Public Service for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, pursuant to the Service Fees Act S.C. 2017, c. 20, s. 451 “20(1)”. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-1196-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates) |
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— by Ms. Anand (Minister of Transport) — Interim Order Respecting Waivers of Compulsory Pilotage Granted by the Pacific Pilotage Authority, pursuant to the Pilotage Act, R.S., 1985, c. P-14, sbs. 52.2(8). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-1289-11. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities) |
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— by Mr. Holland (Minister of Health) — Report on the National Strategy for Alzheimer's Disease and Other Dementias for the year 2024, pursuant to the National Strategy for Alzheimer's Disease and Other Dementias Act, S.C. 2017, c. 19, s. 5. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-1225-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Health) |
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— by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) — Copy of Order in Council P.C. 2024-835, pursuant to the Farm Income Protection Act, S.C. 1991, c. 22, sbs. 12(7). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-719-05. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food) |
| Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows: |
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— by Mr. Morrice (Kitchener Centre), one concerning the environment (No. 441-02834). |
| Adjournment Proceedings |
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At 7:20 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed. |
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After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted. |
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Accordingly, at 7:47 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1). |