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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 184
Wednesday, April 5, 1995
2:00 p.m.
PRAYERS
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Mr. Mifflin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence) for Mr. Collenette (Minister of National Defence) laid upon the Table, -- Documents entitled ``Housing for the Canadian Forces'' and ``Canadian Forces Compensation''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8525-351-32.
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1997, 351-2006, 351-2007, 351-2013 to 351-2015, 351-2024, 351-2027, 351-2029, 351-2033, 351-2042, 351-2044, 351-2045 to 351-2047, 351-2049, 351-2054, 351-2055, 351-2058 to 351-2060, 351-2065 to 351-2067, 351-2072, 351-2076, 351-2087, 351-2091, 351-2094, 351-2100, 351-2106, 351-2111, 351-2113, 351-2114, 351-2125, 351-2129, 351-2137 and 351-2440 concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-3S.
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2078 and 351-2138 concerning sexual orientation. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545- 351-111.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Terrana (Vancouver East), seconded by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), Bill C-320, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (registration of political parties), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. é
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Gagnon (Québec), seconded by Mrs. Picard (Drummond), Bill C-321, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (juvenile prostitution outside Canada), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, the Order for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-222, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act (extremity pumps), standing on the Order of Precedence on the Order Paper in the name of Mrs. Gaffney (Nepean), was discharged and the Bill withdrawn.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
-- by Mr. Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul), one concerning the Lachine Canal (No. 351-2831);
-- by Mr. Bhaduria (Markham -- Whitchurch -- Stouffville), one concerning the tax system (No. 351-2832);
-- by Mrs. Wayne (Saint John), one concerning abortion (No. 351-2833);
-- by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden), one concerning the Patent Act (drug research) (No. 351-2834);
-- by Mr. Riis (Kamloops), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-2835);
-- by Mr. Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas), one concerning intoxication as a defence (No. 351-2836), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2837) and one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 351-2838).
Questions on Order Paper
Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-155 and Q-156 on the Order Paper.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), moved, -- That, in relation to Bill C-68, An Act respecting firearms and other weapons, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of second reading stage of the Bill; and
That, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Business on the allotted day of the second reading consideration of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required, for the purpose of this Order and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the second reading stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division--Vote No 188)
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la- -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Madeleine) -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- Highlands -- Canso) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Maheu -- Malhi -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McTeague -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- Ouellet -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 133
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Riis -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- Wayne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 100
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Deshaies -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Grose -- Harper (Churchill) -- Plamondon
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-68, An Act respecting firearms and other weapons, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs;
And of the amendment of Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:
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``this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-68, An Act
respecting firearms and other weapons, because the principle of
establishing a system for licensing and registration of all firearms
and the principle of creating a variety of offenses are two unrelated
issues that should be addressed separately.''
The debate continued.
At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.
The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:
(Division--Vote No 189)
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Chatters -- Crawford -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Riis -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Serré -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Wayne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 55
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- -- Maheu -- Malhi -- Maloney -- The Sydneys) -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Young -- Zed -- 173
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Copps -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Grose -- Harper (Churchill) -- Plamondon -- Sauvageau
The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division--Vote No 190)
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- -- Maheu -- Malhi -- Maloney -- The Sydneys) -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Young -- Zed -- 173
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Chatters -- Crawford -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Riis -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Serré -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Wayne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 53
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Copps -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Gaffney -- Grose -- Harper (Churchill) -- Plamondon -- Sauvageau
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
At 6:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should transfer the responsibility for cultural preservation to individuals by discontinuing federal multiculturalism programs, relinquishing control of multiculturalism thereby allowing multiculturalism to flourish by giving individuals the freedom to pursue their own cultural ideals. (Private Members' Business M-364)
Debate arose thereon.
Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.
PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION
At 7:01 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following papers, deposited with the Clerk of the House, were laid upon the Table:
-- by Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services) -- Summary of the Corporate Plan for the period 1995- 1996 of Defence Construction (1951) Limited, pursuant to subsection 125(4) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter F-11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-351-835A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)
-- by Mr. Young (Minister of Transport) -- Report of Canadian National Railways, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year 1994, pursuant to section 150(1) of Financial Administration Act, Chapter F-11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-96A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)
-- by Mr. Young (Minister of Transport) -- Statement of Operations of the Great Slave Lake Railway for the year 1994, pursuant to section 9 of an Act respecting the construction of a Line of Railway in the Province of Alberta and in the Northwest Territories by Canadian National Railway Company from a point at or near Grimshaw, in the Province of Alberta, in a northerly direction to Great Slave Lake, in the Northwest Territories, Chapter 56, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-99A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)
-- by Mr. Young (Minister of Transport) -- Report of the Canadian National Railways Securities Trust for the year 1994, pursuant to section 17 of the Canadian National Railways Capital Revision Act, Chapter 311, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-101A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)
PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:
-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), concerning the parole system (No. 351-2839).
ADJOURNMENT
At 7:14 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).