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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 72

Monday, September 23, 1996

11:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-216, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (broadcasting policy), as reported by the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1 and 2).

Group No. 1

Motion No. 1 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe), seconded by Mr. Marchand (Québec-Est), -- That Bill C-216 be amended by deleting Clause 1.

Motion No. 2 of Mr. Gallaway (Sarnia -- Lambton), seconded by Mr. Crawford (Kent), -- That Bill C-216, in Clause 1, be amended by replacing line 11, on page 1, with the following:

    ``vice''.

Debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1

At 11:45 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 98(4), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 124)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Assad -- Augustine -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Boudria -- Brien -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duceppe -- Dupuy -- Fillion -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godin -- Goodale -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Jacob -- Kirkby -- Landry -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lefebvre -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Marchand -- Marleau -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Murphy -- Nunez -- Pagtakhan -- Patry -- Payne -- Peters -- Phinney -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Thalheimer -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- 67

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Assadourian -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Benoit -- Bonin -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bryden -- Calder -- Catterall -- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Dromisky -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Jennings -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Parrish -- Penson -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thompson -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- 83

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 125)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Assadourian -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Benoit -- Bonin -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bryden -- Calder -- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Dromisky -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Jennings -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lincoln -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Parrish -- Penson -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thompson -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- 83

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Assad -- Augustine -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Bélair -- Bélisle -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Boudria -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duceppe -- Dupuy -- Fillion -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godin -- Goodale -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Jacob -- Kirkby -- Landry -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lefebvre -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Marchand -- Marleau -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Murphy -- Nunez -- Pagtakhan -- Patry -- Payne -- Peters -- Phinney -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Thalheimer -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- 66

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

Mr. Gallaway (Sarnia -- Lambton), seconded by Mrs. Parrish (Mississauga West), moved, -- That Bill C-216, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (broadcasting policy), as amended, be concurred in at report stage with a further amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 126)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Assadourian -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Benoit -- Bonin -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bryden -- Calder -- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Dromisky -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Jennings -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Parrish -- Penson -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thompson -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- 83

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Assad -- Augustine -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Boudria -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duceppe -- Dupuy -- Fillion -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godin -- Goodale -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Jacob -- Kirkby -- Landry -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lefebvre -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Marchand -- Marleau -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Murphy -- Nunez -- Pagtakhan -- Patry -- Payne -- Peters -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- 68

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with a further amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 98(4), Mr. Gallaway (Sarnia -- Lambton), seconded by Mrs. Parrish (Mississauga West), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 127)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Assadourian -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Benoit -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bryden -- Calder -- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Dromisky -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Jennings -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland --  (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Parrish -- Penson -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thompson -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- 84

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Assad -- Augustine -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Bellehumeur -- Bertrand -- Boudria -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duceppe -- Dupuy -- Fillion -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godin -- Goodale -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Jacob -- Kirkby -- Landry -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lefebvre -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Marchand -- Marleau -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Murphy -- Nunez -- Pagtakhan -- Patry -- Payne -- Peters -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Thalheimer -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- 68

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (judicial review of parole ineligibility) and another Act, be now read a third time and do pass;

And on the amendment of Mr. Langlois (Bellechasse), seconded by Mr. Guimond (Beauport -- Montmorency -- Orléans), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

    "Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (judicial review of parole ineligibility) and another Act, be not now read a third time but that it be read a third time this day six months hence."

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour) laid upon the Table, -- Report of the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1996, pursuant to the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety Act, R. S. 1985, c. C-13, sbs. 26(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-38. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) No. 352-0839 concerning the income tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-28Q; (2) No. 352-0840 concerning alcoholic beverages. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-41H.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 27th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:

Agriculture and Agri-Food

Adams


Environment and Sustainable Development

Lincoln


Finance

Torsney


Industry

Adams                                   Skoke
Regan


The Committee further recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 107, that the following Member be appointed as Associated Member of the Liaison Committee:

Frazer


A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Nunez (Bourassa), seconded by Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), Bill C-326, An Act to change the name of the electoral district of Bourassa, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the 27th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.


By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West), moved, -- That the name of Mauril Bélanger be added to the list of Associate Members of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), seconded by Mr. Hill (Prince George -- Peace River), moved, -- That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, presented on Wednesday, September 18, 1996, be concurred in.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the words "September 18, 1996" and substituting the following:

    "be not now concurred in but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Finance with instruction to amend the same to remove all references to the mandate of the Auditor General."

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Tuesday, September 24, 1996, at 5:30 p.m.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 352-0981), one concerning euthanasia (No. 352-0982) and one concerning profits from crime (No. 352-0983);

-- by Mr. Riis (Kamloops), one concerning the appointment of justices (No. 352-0984);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0985), one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0986) and one concerning impaired driving (No. 352-0987).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-35 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (judicial review of parole ineligibility) and another Act, be now read a third time and do pass;

And on the amendment of Mr. Langlois (Bellechasse), seconded by Mr. Guimond (Beauport -- Montmorency -- Orléans).

The debate continued.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), one concerning national unity (No. 352-0988);

-- by Mr. Godfrey (Don Valley West), two concerning profits from crime (Nos. 352-0989 and 352-0990).

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:30 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).