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Meeting No. 83

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Thursday, May 7, 1998

The Standing Committee on Finance met at 4:38 o’clock p.m., this day, in Room 362, East Block, the Chair, Maurizio Bevilacqua, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Mark Assad, Maurizio Bevilacqua, Roger Gallaway, David Iftody, Yvan Loubier, Karen Redman, Paul Szabo, Paddy Torsney and Tony Valeri.

Acting Members present: Shaughnessy Cohen for Gary Pillitteri; Claudette Bradshaw for Mark Assad from 4:24 o’clock p.m. to 7:09 o’clock p.m.; Lynn Myers for Roger Gallaway, from 4:24 o’clock p.m. to 6:15 o’clock p.m; Paul Crête for Gilles Perron. from 4:27 o’clock p.m. to 7:13 o’clock p.m., Denis Coderre for David Iftody from 4:44 o’clock p.m.; André Bachand for Scott Brison; Benoît Savageau for Yvan Loubier from 4:40 o’clock p.m. to 5:03 o’clock p.m.; Pierre Brien for Yvan Loubier from 5:03 o’clock p.m. to 5:35 o’clock p.m.; Roger Gallaway from 6:15 o’clock p.m.; Stephane Bergeron for Yvan Loubier from 6:55 o’clock p.m. to 7:37 o’clock p.m.; Monique Guay for Gilles Perron from 7:13 o’clock p.m. to 7:30 o’clock p.m.; Paul Crête for Gilles Perron from 7:30 o’clock p.m. to 7:42 o’clock p.m.; Maurice Dumas for Yvan Loubier from 7:37 o’clock p.m. to 7:42 o’clock p.m.; Paul Crête for Yvan Loubier from 7:42 o’clock p.m. to 9:00 o’clock p.m.; Monique Guay for Gilles Perron from 7:30 o’clock p.m. to 9:00 o’clock p.m.; Maurice Dumas for Gilles Perron from 9:00 o’clock p.m. to 9:29 o’clock p.m.; Antoine Dubé for Gilles Perron from 9:29 o’clock p.m. to 10:27 o’clock p.m.; John McKay for Paul Szabo from 9:33 o'clock p.m.; Stephan Tremblay for Gilles Perron from 10:27 o’clock p.m.. to 11:25 o’clock p.m.; Suzanne Tremblay for Gilles Perron from 11:21 o’clock p.m. to 11:37 o’clock p.m..; Christiane Gagnon for Yvan Loubier from 11:32 o’clock p.m. to 11:37 o’clock p.m.; Paul Crête for Gilles Perron from 11:37 o’clock..

Other Members present: Benoît Sauvageau from 4:38 o’clock p.m. to 4:49 o’clock p.m.; Marlene Catterall, Maurice Dumas from 7:42 o’clock p.m. to 9:00 o’clock p.m.; Christiane Gagnon from 10:00 o’clock p.m.; Stephan Tremblay from 10:14 o’clock p,m, to 10:27 o’clock p.m.. Jocelyne Girald-Bujold, Suzanne Tremblay from 10:50 o’clock p.m..

Associate Member present: Antoine Dubé.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Richard Domingue and Marion G. Wrobel, Research Officers. From Committees and Legislative Services: Richard Dupuis, Monique Hamilton, Paulette Nadeau, Suzanne Verville, Legislative Clerks; Carol Chafe, Procedural Clerk.

In accordance with the Order of Reference of the House of Commons of Tuesday, March 31, 1998, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-36, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 24, 1998. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Thursday, April 2, 1998, Meeting No. 67).

Consideration resumed on the motion of Paul Crête, -- That Bill C-36, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 24, 1998, be withdrawn.

And debate continuing.

Tony Valeri moved, -- That the debate be now adjourned.

And a point of order having been raised as to the procedural acceptability of the proposed motion, the Chair ruled:

RULING BY CHAIR

"The motion is in order and is not debatable pursuant to Standing Orders 67 and further, dilatory motions do not have to be in writing before being put as they follow a standard wording (Beauchesne citation 559)."

Whereupon, Yvan Loubier appealed the decision of the Chair.

And the question being put by the Chair, -- That the Committee sustain the decision of the Chair, it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS

Bradshaw, Claudette

Coderre, Denis

Cohen, Shaughnessy

Myers, Lynn

Redman, Karen

Szabo, Paul

Torsney, Paddy

Valery, Tony (8)

NAYS

Brien, Pierre

Crête, Paul (2)

And the question being put on the motion of Tony Valeri, -- That the debate do now adjourn, it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS

Bradshaw, Claudette

Coderre, Denis

Cohen, Shaughnessy

Myers, Lynn

Redman, Karen

Szabo, Paul

Torsney, Paddy

Valeri, Tony (8)

NAYS

Brien, Pierre

Crête, Paul (2)

Paul Crête moved, -- That Bill C-36, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 24, 1998, be studied clause-by-clause only after the result of the negotiations between the Quebec government and the federal government have been reported to the Standing Committee.

And debate arising thereon.

At 8:16 o’clock p.m., the Vice-Chair Paddy Torsney took the Chair.

At 8:46 o’clock p.m., the Chair Maurizio Bevilacqua took the Chair.

At 9:53 o’clock p.m., the Acting Chair Karen Redman took the Chair.

At 10:12 o’clock p.m., the Chair Maurizio Bevilacqua took the Chair.

And the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded division:

 

YEAS

Crête, Paul

Loubier, Yvan (2)

NAYS

Coderre, Denis

Cohen, Shaughnessy

Gallaway, Roger

MacKay, John

Redman, Karen

Torsney, Paddy

Valeri, Tony (7)

 

Paul Crête moved, -- That the decision of the Committee taken on April 2, 1998 stating that Bill C-36, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 24, 1998, be reported back to the House of Commons by Friday, May 8, 1998, be revoked.

And the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS

Loubier, Yvan

Perron, Gilles-A. (2)

NAYS

Gallaway, Roger

Iftody, David

Pillitteri, Gary

Redman, Karen

Szabo, Paul

Torsney, Paddy

Valeri, Tony (7)

 

Clauses 2 to 133 carried severally on division.

The Schedule carried on division.

Clause 1 carried on division.

The Title carried on division.

The Bill carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS

Coderre, Denis

Cohen, Shaughnessy

Gallaway, Roger

Redman, Karen

MacKay, Peter

Torsney, Paddy

Valeri, Tony (7)

NAYS

Crête, Paul

Loubier, Yvan (2)

The motion, shall the Chair report the Bill without amendment to the House, was agreed to on the following recorded division:

 

YEAS

Assad, Mark

Coderre, Denis

Cohen, Shaughnessy

Gallaway, Roger

MacKay, Peter

Redman, Karen

Torsney, Paddy

Valeri, Tony (8)

NAYS

Crête, Paul

Loubier, Yvan (2)

 

At 11:46 o’clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

 

ERIC JANSE

 

Clerk of the Committee