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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 148

Tuesday, November 3, 1998

10:00 a.m.



The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Whereupon, Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to subsection 43(1) of the Parliament of Canada Act.

PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 361-0659 concerning victims of crime. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-92;

-- Nos. 361-0925, 361-0926, 361-0927 and 361-0928 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-64B;

-- Nos. 361-1295 and 361-1379 concerning international trade. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-54F.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi), from the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, presented the 4th Report of the Committee (The West Coast Report). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-100.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 46 and 51) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bélair (Timmins -- James Bay), seconded by Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi), Bill C-453, An Act to regulate the issue of ceremonial statements of service and recognition of duty, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay -- Columbia), one concerning the Copyright Act (No. 361-1653), two concerning marriage (Nos. 361-1654 and 361-1655), two concerning impaired driving (Nos. 361-1656 and 361-1657) and one concerning gun control (No. 361-1658);

-- by Mr. Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Henri), one concerning the infrastructure program (No. 361-1659);

-- by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), two concerning international trade (Nos. 361-1660 and 361-1661);

-- by Mr. Kerpan (Blackstrap), one concerning health care services (No. 361-1662), four concerning the highway system (Nos. 361-1663 to 361-1666), two concerning marriage (Nos. 361-1667 and 361-1668), two concerning radio and television programming (Nos. 361-1669 and 361-1670) and one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 361-1671).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should move immediately to defend the interests of Canadian farmers from the unfair subsidies and unfair trading practices by foreign countries, which have changed the problem of stagnant farm incomes to a full-blown farm income crisis, and in the event no immediate progress is made on this front, introduce emergency measures to provide tax relief, lower input costs, reduce user fees and address the inadequacies of the farm safety-net programs.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), in relation to the Business of Supply.

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(19), the proceedings expired.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 29, 1998, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Parks)), -- That Bill C-55, An Act respecting advertising services supplied by foreign periodical publishers, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Bélanger (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park), -- That this question be now put.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 255)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Telegdi -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wood -- 144

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Elley -- Forseth -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McDonough -- McNally -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 111

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bevilacqua -- Cardin -- Crête -- Desrochers -- Discepola -- Guimond -- Leung -- Loubier -- Mercier -- Serré -- Szabo -- Thibeault -- Valeri -- Venne -- Wilfert

Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Parks)), -- That Bill C-55, An Act respecting advertising services supplied by foreign periodical publishers, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 256)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Guay -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Telegdi -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wood -- 208

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Cadman -- Casson -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Elley -- Forseth -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Manning -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Obhrai -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Strahl -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 47

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bevilacqua -- Cardin -- Crête -- Desrochers -- Discepola -- Guimond -- Leung -- Loubier -- Mercier -- Serré -- Szabo -- Thibeault -- Valeri -- Venne -- Wilfert

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), -- That Bill C-54, An Act to support and promote electronic commerce by protecting personal information that is collected, used or disclosed in certain circumstances, by providing for the use of electronic means to communicate or record information or transactions and by amending the Canada Evidence Act, the Statutory Instruments Act and the Statute Revision Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Easter (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans), seconded by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), -- That this question be now put.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 144, NAYS: 111. (See list under Division No. 255)

Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), -- That Bill C-54, An Act to support and promote electronic commerce by protecting personal information that is collected, used or disclosed in certain circumstances, by providing for the use of electronic means to communicate or record information or transactions and by amending the Canada Evidence Act, the Statutory Instruments Act and the Statute Revision Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 257)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Elley -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Grose -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Telegdi -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- Wood -- 209

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Mancini -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Nystrom -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Riis -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- Stoffer -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- 46

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bevilacqua -- Cardin -- Crête -- Desrochers -- Discepola -- Guimond -- Leung -- Loubier -- Mercier -- Serré -- Szabo -- Thibeault -- Valeri -- Venne -- Wilfert

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:10 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Myers (Waterloo -- Wellington), seconded by Mr. Mahoney (Mississauga West), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider the advisability of establishing a commission of inquiry to examine the concentration of print media in Canada. (Private Members' Business M-423)

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:07 p.m., the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).