PRAYERS

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights of Bill C-236, An Act to repeal the Firearms Act and to make certain amendments to the Criminal Code.

Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That, in relation to Bill C-53, An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the report stage of the Bill and one sitting day shall be allotted to the third reading stage of the said Bill; and

That, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on the day allotted to the consideration of the report stage and on the day allotted to the third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of the stage of the Bill then under consideration shall be put forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 265)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Longfield -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Sekora -- Serré -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 132

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Brien -- Brison -- Cadman -- Cardin -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gauthier -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Southeast) -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Loubier -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- McDonough -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Turp -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 72

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C- 53, An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 2 to 5).

Group No. 2

Motion No. 2 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 26 on page 3 with the following:

``limits; and

(e) the loan must not be in addition to other loans made under this Act to persons related to the borrower for the operation of the same small business.''

Motion No. 3 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 33 on page 3 with the following:

``to the borrower does not exceed $100,000''

Motion No. 4 of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 41 to 45 on page 3 with the following:

``tions, of all loans made under this Act and guaranteed business improvement loans made under the Small Business Loans Act.''

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 76.(3))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in the following amendment to Bill C-53 ``An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses''. That Clause 4 of Bill C-53 be amended by striking out lines 41 to 45 on page 3 and substituting the following:

``tions, of all loans made under this Act and guaranteed business improvement loans made under the Small Business Loans Act.''

Motion No. 5 of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 22 on page 5 with the following:

``made under this Act and guaranteed business improvement loans made under the Small Business Loans Act.''

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 76.(3))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in the following amendment to Bill C-53 ``An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses''. That Clause 7 of Bill C-53 be amended by striking out lines 18 to 22 on page 5 and substituting the following:

``made under this Act and guaranteed business improvement loans made under the Small Business Loans Act.''

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 361-1586 concerning radio and television programming. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-42M;

-- Nos. 361-1587 and 361-1599 concerning police and firefighters' death benefits. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-14K;

-- No. 361-1606 concerning gasoline additives. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-93C.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 45th Report of the Committee (Supplementary Estimates (B) 1998-99 -- Vote 5b under PARLIAMENT) -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-107.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 41) was tabled.

Mr. Bevilacqua (Vaughan -- King -- Aurora), from the Standing Committee on Finance, presented the 8th Report of the Committee -- (Extension of deadline for tabling of the Report on Pre-Budget Consultations (Standing Order 83.1)) -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-108.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 160) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), one concerning marriage (No. 361-1731);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning the Senate (No. 361-1732) and one concerning gun control (No. 361-1733);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Kent -- Middlesex), one concerning gasoline additives (No. 361-1734);

-- by Mr. Bailey (Souris -- Moose Mountain), one concerning marriage (No. 361-1735);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning human rights in Indonesia (No. 361-1736);

-- by Miss Grey (Edmonton North), one concerning marriage (No. 361-1737);

-- by Mr. St. Denis (Algoma -- Manitoulin), one concerning marriage (No. 361-1738);

-- by Mr. Morrison (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands), one concerning the Canada Pension Plan (No. 361-1739), two concerning gun control (Nos. 361-1740 and 361-1741), two concerning marriage (Nos. 361-1742 and 361-1743) and one concerning government spending (No. 361-1744).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-53, An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 2 to 5).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motions No. 2 and 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motion No. 5, was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing line 26 on page 5 with the following:

``(a) 50%, or any prescribed lesser percent-``

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 15, be amended by replacing lines 20 to 22 on page 9 with the following:

``15. (1) The Minister will routinely conduct an audit or examination of the''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3 (Motions Nos. 6 and 11).

The question was put on Motions Nos. 6 and 11 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

Group No. 4

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-53 be amended by deleting Clause 13.

Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 13, be amended

(a) by replacing line 32 on page 6 with the following:

``made to borrowers in the voluntary sector, to guarantee loans made to finance working capital or to guarantee''

(b) by replacing line 4 on page 7 with the following:

``voluntary sector, to guarantee loans made to finance working capital or to guarantee capital leases, the Minister''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 7 and 8).

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 5

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 9, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing line 22 on page 7 with the following:

``subject to subsections (2), (3) and (3.1), on the recommenda-''

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 10, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 14, be amended by adding after line 19 on page 9 the following:

``(3.1) No regulation made under subsection (1) shall come into force unless and until it is affirmed by a resolution of both Houses of Parliament introduced and passed in accordance with the rules of those Houses.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 5 (Motions Nos. 9 and 10).

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motion No. 10, was deferred.

Group No. 6

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 12, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 16, be amended

(a) by replacing line 38 on page 10 with the following:

``liable to a fine of not less than $500,000 or to''

(b) by replacing lines 42 and 43 on page 10 with the following:

``summary conviction and liable to a fine of not less than $50,000 or to imprisonment for''

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 6 (Motion No. 12).

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on Motion No. 12 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 7

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 13, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 11 with the following:

``Consolidated Revenue Fund and the aggregate of these amounts for any fiscal year is to be shown as a separate item in the Main Estimates that are tabled in Parliament for that fiscal year.''

Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), moved Motion No. 14, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing lines 12 and 13 on page 11 with the following:

``to be made a report on the administration of this Act during the preceding fiscal year, specifying in the report any macro-economic effects and any effects on employment.''

Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved Motion No. 15, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 19, be amended by replacing lines 15 to 19 on page 11 with the following:

``months after March 31, 2001 and every two years after that, cause to be made a comprehensive audit and review, reporting on the provisions and operation of this Act during the preceding two years.''

Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), moved Motion No. 16, -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 19, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 19 on page 11 with the following:

``years after that, cause to be made a comprehensive review and report of the provisions and operation of this Act during the preceding five years, specifying in the report any macro-economic effects and any effects on employment.''

The question was put on Motions Nos. 13 to 15 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

By unanimous consent, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier -- Sainte-Marie), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), -- That this House endorses the provincial consensus reached in Saskatoon on August 7, 1998, that the federal government must restore, via the existing provisions of the Canada Health and Social Transfer (CHST), its contributions to front-line health-care services, starting with a payment of at least $2 billion, given that the federal government has already recorded an accumulated surplus of $10.4 billion for the first six months of the 1998-99 fiscal year.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Desrochers (Lotbinière), seconded by Mr. Cardin (Sherbrooke), -- That the motion be amended by replacing the word ``a'' with the following:

``an immediate''

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 266)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 121

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Sekora -- Serré -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 134

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier -- Sainte-Marie), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot).

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 121, NAYS: 134. (See list under Division No. 266)

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of C-53, An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry, with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), -- That Bill C-53 be amended by adding after line 22 on page 2 the following new clause:

``2.1 The purpose of this Act is to increase the availability of financing of small businesses, which would not otherwise have access to financing.''

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 267)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Brien -- Brison -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harvey -- Herron -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Riis -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 78

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bailey -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Karetak-Lindell -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solberg -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 176

Group No. 2

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 26 on page 3 with the following:

``limits; and

(e) the loan must not be in addition to other loans made under this Act to persons related to the borrower for the operation of the same small business.''

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 268)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Manning -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 43

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 211

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 3 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 33 on page 3 with the following:

``to the borrower does not exceed $100,000''

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 43, NAYS: 211. (See list under Division No. 268)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 4 of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 41 to 45 on page 3 with the following:

``tions, of all loans made under this Act and guranteed business improvement loans made under the Small Business Loans Act.''

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 76.(3))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in the following amendment to Bill C-53 ``An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses''. That Clause 4 of Bill C-53 be amended by striking out lines 41 to 45 on page 3 and substituting the following:

``tions, of all loans made under this Act and guaranteed business improvement loans made under the Small Business Loans Act.''

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 269)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Carroll -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 254

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Members--Députés

-- 0

Accordingly, Motion No. 5 was agreed to on the same division.

Group No. 3

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 6 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing line 26 on page 5 with the following:

``(a) 50%, or any prescribed lesser percent-''

The question was put on Motion No. 6 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 43, NAYS: 211. (See list under Division No. 268)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 11 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 15, be amended by replacing lines 20 to 22 on page 9 with the following:

``15. (1) The Minister will routinely conduct an audit or examination of the''

The question was put on Motion No. 11 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 270)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Dockrill -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Laliberte -- Lill -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Mancini -- Manning -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 61

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Sekora -- Serré -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 193

Group No. 4

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 7 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53 be amended by deleting Clause 13.

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 43, NAYS: 211. (See list under Division No. 268)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 8 of Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 13, be amended

(a) by replacing line 32 on page 6 with the following:

``made to borrowers in the voluntary sector, to guarantee loans made to finance working capital or to guarantee''

(b) by replacing line 4 on page 7 with the following:

``voluntary sector, to guarantee loans made to finance working capital or to guarantee capital leases, the Minister''

The question was put on Motion No. 8 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 271)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Brien -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Hilaire -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Venne -- 44

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bailey -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 210

Group No. 5

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 9 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing line 22 on page 7 with the following:

``subject to subsections (2), (3) and (3.1), on the recommenda-''

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 61, NAYS: 193. (See list under Division No. 270)

Accordingly, Motion No. 10 was negatived on the same division.

Group No. 6

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 12 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 16, be amended

(a) by replacing line 38 on page 10 with the following:

``liable to a fine of not less than $500,000 or to''

(b) by replacing lines 42 and 43 on page 10 with the following:

``summary conviction and liable to a fine of not less than $50,000 or to imprisonment for''

The question was put on Motion No. 12 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 43, NAYS: 211. (See list under Division No. 268)

Group No. 7

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 13 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 11 with the following:

``Consolidated Revenue Fund and the aggregate of these amounts for any fiscal year is to be shown as a separate item in the Main Estimates that are tabled in Parliament for that fiscal year.''

The question was put on Motion No. 13 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 272)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Price -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Venne -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 103

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 150

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 14 of Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing lines 12 and 13 on page 11 with the following:

``to be made a report on the administration of this Act during the preceding fiscal year, specifying in the report any macro-economic effects and any effects on employment.''

The question was put on Motion No. 14 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 273)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 121

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Sekora -- Serré -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 132

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 15 of Mr. Pankiw (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 19, be amended by replacing lines 15 to 19 on page 11 with the following:

``months after March 31, 2001 and every two years after that, cause to be made a comprehensive audit and review, reporting on the provisions and operation of this Act during the preceding two years.''

The question was put on Motion No. 15 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 274)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casson -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Venne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 87

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 166

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 16 of Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et- Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), -- That Bill C-53, in Clause 19, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 19 on page 11 with the following:

``years after that, cause to be made a comprehensive review and report of the provisions and operation of this Act during the preceding five years, specifying in the report any macro-economic effects and any effects on employment.''

The question was put on Motion No. 16 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 275)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Brien -- Brison -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harvey -- Herron -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Riis -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 78

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bailey -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Carroll -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Karetak-Lindell -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solberg -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 175

Ms. Marleau (Minister for International Cooperation) for Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That Bill C-53, An Act to increase the availability of financing for the establishment, expansion, modernization and improvement of small businesses, as amended, be concurred in at report stage with further amendments.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 276)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Sekora -- Serré -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 210

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Manning -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Williams -- 43

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with further amendments and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:02 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:21 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).