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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 038

Wednesday, November 26, 1997

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

WAYS AND MEANS

Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) laid upon the Table, -- Notice of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act and a related Act. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 2) -- Sessional Paper No. 8570-361-2.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

tabling of documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) laid upon the Table, -- Draft legislation and regulations relating to the GST and the HST. -- Sessional Paper No. 8525- 361-4.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Rock (Minister of Health) laid upon the Table, -- Report of the Commission of Inquiry on the Blood System in Canada: Final Report (Krever Commission) -- Sessional Paper No. 8525-361-5.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 361-0038 concerning the income tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-10B;

-- Nos. 361-0115 and 361-0116 concerning nudity. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-7B.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 13th Report of the Committee (Private Members' Business). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-19.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No.7) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Crête (Kamouraska-Rivière-du-Loup-Témiscouata-Les Basques), seconded by Mr. Lefebvre (Champlain), Bill C-290, An Act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act (membership of Board of directors), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Crête (Kamouraska-Rivière-du-Loup-Témiscouata-Les Basques), seconded by Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue), Bill C-291, An Act to provide for petitions presented to the House of Commons that have 250,000 or more signatures to be subsequently prepared as bills so far as possible and introduced in the House, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

First Reading of Senate Public Bills

Pursuant to Standing Order 69(2), on motion of Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), Bill S-3, An Act to amend the Pension Benefits Standards Act, 1985 and the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions Act, was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the tax system (No. 361-0245);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning violence in society (No. 361-0246);

-- by Mr. Earle (Halifax West), one concerning pay equity (No. 361-0247).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-16, Q-19, Q-27 and Q-28 on the Order Paper.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That all amendments that have been found in order at the report stage of Bill C-2 be deemed to have been read by the Chair and to have been duly moved and seconded and that, when there is no further debate, the amendments will be deemed to have been put and a recorded division requested.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-2, An Act to establish the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Old Age Security Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments.

    Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1 (5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:
      Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1, 3, 5, 21, 23 and 24.
      Group No. 2 -- Motion No. 2.
      Group No. 3 -- Motion No. 8.
      Group No. 4 -- Motion No. 9.
      Group No. 5 -- Motions Nos. 10 and 12.
      Group No. 6 -- Motions Nos. 11, 13 to 19 and 22.
      Group No. 7 -- Motions Nos. 20 and 25.

Group No. 1

Mr. Nystrom (Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 8, be amended by adding after line 21 on page 4 the following:

      ``(3) The Governor in Council may appoint a panel of experts to review the conflict of interest procedures established by the board of directors under paragraph (2)(b) and to recommend changes to those procedures.
      (4) The Governor in Council may direct the board of directors to adopt any of the recommendations of the panel of experts and to ensure that any procedures adopted are made available to the public.''

Mr. Dubé (Madawaska -- Restigouche), seconded by Mr. Jones (Markham), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 42, be amended by replacing lines 40 to 42 on page 21 with the following:

    ``appointed for a term of five years by the board of directors, and may be removed at any time by the board of directors for cause.
      (1.1) If the board of directors decide to remove the auditor before the auditor's five-year term ends, the board of directors must notify the appropriate provincial Minister of each of the participating provinces giving the reasons for the decision.
      (1.2) The auditor may not be removed unless at least two thirds of the participating provinces having in total not less than two thirds of the population of all of the participating provinces has agreed in writing to the removal.
      (1.3) An auditor who resigns before the end of the five-year term shall notify the board of directors, the Minister and the appropriate Minister of each of the participating provinces giving the reasons for the resignation and make those reasons available to the public.
      (1.4) Where the auditor has resigned or been removed, no person or firm shall accept an appointment or consent to be appointed as auditor until the person or firm has requested and received from the other auditor a written statement of the circumstances and reasons why the other auditor resigned or why, in the other auditor's opinion, the other auditor was removed.
      (1.5) Notwithstanding subsection (1.4), a person or firm may accept an appointment or consent to be appointed as auditor if, within fifteen days after a request under that subsection is made, no reply from the other auditor is received.
      (1.6) Unless subsection (1.5) applies, an appointment as auditor is void if subsection (1.4) has not been complied with.''

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Valeri (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 47, be amended by replacing lines 10 and 11 on page 25 with the following:

      "47. (1) The Minister shall cause a special examination to be carried out at least once every six years in respect of the"

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Valeri (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance), moved Motion No. 21, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 91, be amended by adding after line 22 on page 72 the following:

      "(4) The Investment Board and its auditor shall provide the Auditor General of Canada with any records, accounts, statements or other information that in the opinion of the Auditor General of Canada are necessary to audit the annual financial statements of the Canada Pension Plan."

Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), moved Motion No. 23, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 94, be amended by replacing line 19 on page 74 with the following:

    ``subsection (5), and after reasonable public hearings before the House of Commons standing committee on Finance, by regulation amend the''

Mr. Nystrom (Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), moved Motion No. 24, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 96, be amended by replacing lines 24 to 26 on page 81 with the following:

    ``period in which the report is prepared;
    (d) set out the manner in which that contribution rate was calculated; and
    (e) describe how the contribution rates presently set out under this Act will affect the income level of future retirees as well as their income share relative to the income of those working.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1, 3, 5, 21, 23 and 24).

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 21 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 23 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 24 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Dubé (Madawaska -- Restigouche), seconded by Mr. Jones (Markham), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-2 be amended by deleting Clause 37.

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 2 (Motion No. 2).

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Dubé (Madawaska -- Restigouche), seconded by Mr. Jones (Markham), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-2, in Clause 53, be amended by adding after line 15 on page 28 the following:

      ``(1.1) A regulation made under paragraph (1)(b) must reflect the objects of the Board as set out in section 5.''

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 3 (Motion No. 8).

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary -- Nose Hill), moved, -- That a legislative committee of this House be instructed to prepare and bring in a bill, in accordance with Standing Order 68(4)(b), to prevent the reference to and designation of any Canadian or group of Canadians in a hyphenated form, based on race, religion, colour or place of origin. (Private Members' Business M-24)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

MOTIONS

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Tuesday, November 25, 1997, the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, pursuant to Order made Tuesday, November 25, 1997, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

MIDNIGHT

ADJOURNMENT

At 1:50 a.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until later this day, pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).