HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37^TH PARLIAMENT, 1^st SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 100

Tuesday, October 23, 2001

10:00 a.m.

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PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Questions on Order Paper

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the return to the following question made into an order for return:

Q-40 -- Mr. Penson (Peace River) -- With regard to all government department and agency Internet web sites: (a) do they track visitors; (b) if so, what data do they compile on each visitor; (c) does each of these sites disclose that it is tracking and compiling personal information on visitors; and (d) what measures have been taken to ensure the privacy of visitors? -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-371-40.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Day (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), seconded by Mr. White (North Vancouver), moved, -- That, as part of a continental perimeter initiative to secure Canada's borders and protect the security of Canadians and our neighbours, and to protect our trading relationships, this House calls on the government to:

(a) provide both Immigration officers and Customs officers enhanced training and full peace officer status to allow them to detain and arrest suspected criminals or terrorists at the border;

(b) move Customs border officers out of the tax collection agency and into a law enforcement agency;

(c) detain all spontaneous refugee claimants appearing without proper documentation until their identities are confirmed and they have cleared proper health and security checks; and

(d) create a list of safe third countries, including the United States and member states of the European Union, from which Canada will no longer accept refugee claimants.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Day (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), seconded by Mr. White (North Vancouver), in relation to the Business of Supply.

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 53, NAYS 179

(Division No. 153 -- Vote N^o 153)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 153)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz -- Burton -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Day -- Duncan -- Elley -- Fitzpatrick -- Forseth -- Gallant -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hilstrom -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Mark -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Moore -- Penson -- Peschisolido -- Rajotte -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Skelton -- Solberg -- Sorenson -- Spencer -- Stinson -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Toews -- Wayne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Yelich -- 53

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bagnell -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bigras -- Binet -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bourgeois -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Cardin -- Carignan -- Carroll -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Coderre -- Comartin -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cuzner -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Drouin -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Duplain -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laframboise -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lastewka -- Lebel -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Leung -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Ménard -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Paquette -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Scott -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tobin -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 179

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Barnes -- Bergeron -- Bevilacqua -- Crête -- Cullen -- Desrochers -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Minna -- Perron -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Neigette-et-la Mitis)

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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division at report stage of Bill S-23, An Act to amend the Customs Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance without amendment.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Bergeron (Verchères -- Les-Patriotes), seconded by Mr. Perron (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles), -- That Bill S-23 be amended by adding after line 22 on page 91 the following new clause:

``85.1 At the end of the first year after the coming into force of this Act, the Minister shall prepare a report on the application of its provisions and of any regulations made under those provisions, and shall lay the report without delay before the Standing Committee on Finance.''

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 95, NAYS 139

(Division No. 154 -- Vote N^o 154)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 154)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Bourgeois -- Breitkreuz -- Brien -- Burton -- Cadman -- Cardin -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Comartin -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Day -- Desjarlais -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Elley -- Fitzpatrick -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallant -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hilstrom -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Laframboise -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lebel -- Loubier -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Marceau -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Moore -- Paquette -- Penson -- Peschisolido -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Rajotte -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Skelton -- Solberg -- Sorenson -- Spencer -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Toews -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Yelich -- 95

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Augustine -- Bagnell -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Binet -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carignan -- Carroll -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Coderre -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cuzner -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Duplain -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Leung -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Price -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Scott -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tobin -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 139

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Barnes -- Bergeron -- Bevilacqua -- Crête -- Cullen -- Desrochers -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Minna -- Perron -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Neigette-et-la Mitis)

Accordingly, Motion No. 2 was also negatived on the same division.

Mr. Cauchon (Minister of National Revenue), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, -- That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs), seconded by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources), -- That Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. Bulte (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Ms. Carroll (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs), -- That this question be now put.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS 171, NAYS 63

(Division No. 155 -- Vote N^o 155)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 155)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bagnell -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bigras -- Binet -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bourgeois -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Cardin -- Carignan -- Carroll -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Coderre -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cuzner -- Dalphond-Guiral -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Drouin -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Duplain -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laframboise -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lastewka -- Lebel -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Leung -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Ménard -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Paquette -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pratt -- Price -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Scott -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tobin -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 171

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz -- Burton -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Comartin -- Cummins -- Day -- Desjarlais -- Duncan -- Elley -- Fitzpatrick -- Forseth -- Gallant -- Godin -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hilstrom -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Moore -- Penson -- Peschisolido -- Proctor -- Rajotte -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Skelton -- Solberg -- Sorenson -- Spencer -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Toews -- Vellacott -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Yelich -- 63

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Barnes -- Bergeron -- Bevilacqua -- Crête -- Cullen -- Desrochers -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Minna -- Perron -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Neigette-et-la Mitis)

Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs), seconded by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources), -- That Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 156)

YEAS: 171, NAYS: 63. (See list under Division No. 155)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration be authorized to travel to Vancouver, Winnipeg, Windsor, Saint John (N.B.) and Montreal from October 29 to November 1, 2001, in relation to its study on security at ports of entry in Canada, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:57 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Ms. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre), seconded by Ms. Gagnon (Québec), moved, -- That this House recognize the Armenian genocide of 1915 and condemn this act as a crime against humanity. (Private Members' Business M-328)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) -- Report of the Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Status of the Artist Act, S.C. 1992, c. 33, s. 61. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-399-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

-- by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) -- Reports of the Canada Industrial Relations Board for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-733-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) -- Reports of the Department of Transport for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-690-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice) -- Notice of opinion concerning Regulations amending the Firearms Fees Regulations (JUS 603034), pursuant to the Firearms Act, S.C. 1995, c. 39, sbs. 119(4). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-779-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), concerning China (No. 371-0413).

ADJOURNMENT PROCEEDINGS

At 6:53 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:13 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).