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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 171
Thursday, April 18, 2002
10:00 a.m.
Prayers
Daily Routine Of Business
Statements by Ministers
By unanimous consent and pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Chrétien (Prime Minister) made a statement.
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Report of the Air Travel Complaints Commissioner for the period of July 1 to December 31, 2001, pursuant to the Canada Transportation Act, S.C. 2000, c. 15, s. 7.1. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-751-03. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:
— No. 371-0597 concerning conscientious objection. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-95-01;
— No. 371-0605 concerning the income tax system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-26-08;
— No. 371-0619 concerning national unity. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-68-02;
— No. 371-0625 concerning cruelty to animals. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-80-06.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Ms. Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) , from the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages, presented the Eighth Report of the Committee (The Official Language Minority Communities Told Us...). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-142.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 29, 30 and 32) was tabled.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Godin (Acadie--Bathurst) , seconded by Mr. Nystrom (Regina--Qu'Appelle) , Bill C-442, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre) , seconded by Mr. Nystrom (Regina--Qu'Appelle) , Bill C-443, An Act to establish a National Organ Donor Registry and to coordinate and promote organ donation throughout Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved, — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Health, presented on Wednesday, December 12, 2001, be concurred in.
Debate arose thereon.
Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) , moved, — That the House do now proceed to the Orders of the Day.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 106, NAYS: 76
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Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the motion of Wednesday, April 17, 2002, permitting the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans to travel to Vancouver and Port McNeil, B.C., be amended to read as follows: That, in relation to its study on aquaculture, the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans be authorized to travel in one group to Vancouver and Port McNeil, B.C., from May 6 to May 10, 2002, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, in relation to its study on examination of the free trade area of the Americas in view of strengthening economic relations between Canada and the Americas, the Sub-Committee on International Trade, Trade Disputes and Investment of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade be authorized to travel to Sao Paulo, Brazil, Santiago, Chile, San Jose, Costa Rica, Lima, Peru, and Bogota, Columbia, from April 28 to May 12, 2002, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, as reported by the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development with amendments;
And of the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 6, 16, 17, 20, 24, 25, 29, 72, 76, 114, 126, 127 and 130).
Group No. 4
Motion No. 6 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 42 to 44 on page 5.
Motion No. 16 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 26 to 33 on page 8 with the following:
“implementation of action plans; and
(b) coordinate the activities of the various governments represented on the Council relating to the protection of species at risk.”
Motion No. 17 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5 be amended by deleting Clause 7.1.
Motion No. 20 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5 be amended by adding after line 26 on page 9 the following:
“8.1 The Minister may establish a committee, to be known as the National Aboriginal Committee on Species at Risk, consisting of six representatives of the aboriginal peoples of Canada appointed by the Minister based on recommendations from aboriginal organizations that the Minister considers appropriate. The role of the committee is to advise the Minister on the administration of this Act.”
Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(3))
Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled "An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada". That Bill C-5 be amended by adding after line 26 on page 9 the following:
“8.1 The Minister may establish a committee, to be known as the National Aboriginal Committee on Species at Risk, consisting of six representatives of the aboriginal peoples of Canada appointed by the Minister based on recommendations from aboriginal organizations that the Minister considers appropriate. The role of the committee is to advise the Minister on the administration of this Act.”
Amendment to Motion No. 20 of Mr. Laliberte (Churchill River) , seconded by Mr. Caccia (Davenport) , — That Motion No. 20 be amended by replacing all the words after “The Minister” with the following:
“shall establish a Council, to be known as the National Aboriginal Council on Species at Risk, consisting of six representatives of the aboriginal peoples of Canada selected by the Minister based upon recommendations from aboriginal organizations that the Minister considers appropriate. The role of the Council is to:
(1) advise the Minister on the administration of this Act;
(2) provide advice and recommendations to the Canadian Endangered Species Conservation Council.”
Motion No. 24 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 10.1, be amended by replacing line 10 on page 10 with the following:
“son. A copy of the stewardship action plan must be included in the public registry.”
Motion No. 25 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 10.2, be amended by replacing lines 11 to 38 on page 10 with the following:
“10.2 The stewardship action plan must include, but is not limited to, commitments to
(a) regularly examine incentives and programs that support actions taken by persons to protect species at risk;
(b) provide information and increase public awareness about species at risk;
(c) share information about species at risk, including community and aboriginal traditional knowledge, with other governments and persons;
(d) create awards and recognition programs;
(e) provide information respecting programs related to stewardship agreements, land conservation easements and other such agreements; and
(f) provide information relating to the technical and scientific support available to persons engaged in stewardship activities.”
Amendment to Motion No. 25 of Mr. Laliberte (Churchill River) , seconded by Mr. Caccia (Davenport) , — That Motion No. 25 be amended by replacing paragraph 10.2(c) with the following:
“(c) methods for sharing information about species at risk, including community and aboriginal traditional knowledge, that respect, preserve and maintain knowledge and promote their wider application with the approval of the holders of such knowledge, with other governments and persons;”
Motion No. 29 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 13, be amended by deleting lines 14 to 22 on page 12.
Motion No. 72 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 45, be amended by replacing lines 9 to 13 on page 27 with the following:
“(2) If the amendment relates to the time for completing an action plan, the competent minister must provide reasons for the amendment and include a copy of the reasons in the public registry.
(3) Sections 39 and 43 apply to amendments to a recovery strategy, with any modifications that the circumstances require.
(4) Subsection (3) does not apply if the”
Motion No. 76 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 50, be amended by replacing lines 15 to 37 on page 29 with the following:
“50. (1) The competent minister must include a proposed action plan in the public registry.
(2) Within 60 days after the proposed action plan is included in the public registry, any person may file written comments with the competent minister.
(3) Within 30 days after the expiry of the period referred to in subsection (2), the competent minister must consider any comments received, make any changes to the proposed action plan that he or she considers appropriate and finalize the action plan by including a copy of it in the public registry.
(4) If an action plan is not finalized in the time set out in the recovery strategy, the competent minister must include in the public registry a summary of what has been prepared with respect to the plan.”
Motion No. 114 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 69, be amended by
(a) replacing lines 15 to 19 on page 38 with the following:
“for the conservation of the species and the competent minister adopts the existing plan as the proposed management plan, he or she must include a copy of it in the public registry as the proposed management plan in relation to the”
- (b) replacing lines 23 to 25 on page 38 with the following:
“wildlife species into a proposed management plan for the species.”
Motion No. 126 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 123, be amended by replacing lines 33 to 37 on page 68 with the following:
“filed in court and are available to the public; and
(h) every report made under sections 126 and 128.”
Motion No. 127 of Mr. Burton (Skeena) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 124, be amended by replacing line 39 on page 68 with the following:
“SEWIC, may restrict the public release of any”
Motion No. 130 of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-5, in Clause 129, be amended by replacing lines 34 and 35 on page 70 with the following:
“force, a committee of the House of”
Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon--Rosetown--Biggar) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved, — That the Honourable Member for St. Albert be now heard.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:
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YEAS: 15, NAYS: 16
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The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, as reported by the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development with amendments;
And of the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 6, 16, 17, 20, 24, 25, 29, 72, 76, 114, 126, 127 and 130).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 4.
Mr. Harris (Prince George--Bulkley Valley) , seconded by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:
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YEAS: 41, NAYS: 99
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The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, as reported by the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development with amendments;
And of the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 6, 16, 17, 20, 24, 25, 29, 72, 76, 114, 126, 127 and 130).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 4.
Statements By Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
Government Orders
The Order was read for the consideration of the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-15A, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and to amend other Acts.
Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) , moved, — That the amendments numbered 1(b) and 2 made by the Senate to Bill C-15A, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and to amend other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in; and
That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours that this House disagrees with the amendment numbered 1(a) made by the Senate to Bill C-15A, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and to amend other Acts, because the amendment could exempt offenders from criminal liability even in cases where they knowingly transmit or make available child pornography.
Debate arose thereon.
Private Members' Business
At 4:58 p.m., by unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
Mr. Bigras (Rosemont--Petite-Patrie) , seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères--Les-Patriotes) , moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take the necessary measures for Canada to ratify the Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture. (Private Members' Business M-432)
Debate arose thereon.
Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.
Adjournment Proceedings
At 5:58 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
Accordingly, at 6:08 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).