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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 203

Tuesday, June 11, 2002

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) laid upon the Table, — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the Third Report of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, “Building a Nation: The Regulations under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act” (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-138), presented to the House on Thursday, March 21, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-371-138.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) laid upon the Table, — Proposed Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, dated June 11, 2002, pursuant to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, S.C. 2001, c. 27, sbs. 5(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-790-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mrs. Redman (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of the Environment) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— No. 371-0664 concerning transportation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-48-05;

— Nos. 371-0677, 371-0678, 371-0679 and 371-0680 concerning the fishing industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-87-10;

— No. 371-0681 concerning terrorism. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-89-09;

— Nos. 371-0682, 371-0683 and 371-0684 concerning Canada's railways. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-38-19.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi) , from the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, presented the Fifth Report of the Committee (The Future Role of the Government in Agriculture). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-179.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 44 to 51, 54 to 62, 64, 69, 72 and 73) was tabled.


Mr. Easter (Malpeque) , from the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, presented the Tenth Report of the Committee (Foreign Overfishing: Its Impacts and Solutions). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-180.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 41 to 44, 52, 53, 55 and 56) was tabled.


Mr. Fontana (London North Centre) , from the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, presented the Fourth Report of the Committee (Competing for Immigrants). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-181.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 60 to 69) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre) , seconded by Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi) , Bill C-475, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre) , seconded by Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi) , Bill C-476, An Act to establish a National Civil Defence Force, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Lebel (Chambly) , one concerning federal government contracts (No. 371-0800);

— by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , one concerning oil products (No. 371-0801);

— by Mr. Fontana (London North Centre) , one concerning the situation in the Middle East (No. 371-0802);

— by Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , one concerning pornography (No. 371-0803) and one concerning parental rights (No. 371-0804);

— by Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , one concerning the fishing industry (No. 371-0805);

— by Mr. Mark (Dauphin—Swan River) , two concerning the fishing industry (Nos. 371-0806 and 371-0807);

— by Mr. Peschisolido (Richmond) , one concerning pornography (No. 371-0808);

— by Mr. Binet (Frontenac—Mégantic) , one concerning Greece (No. 371-0809) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 371-0810).

Questions on Order Paper

Mrs. Redman (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of the Environment) presented the answer to question Q-160 on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada.

Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Bevilacqua (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

    “Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development for the purpose of reconsidering all the clauses with a view to ensure that the legislation provides guaranteed compensation to land owners and provisions to protect farmers by ensuring that it would have to be proven that a person actually intended to destroy a protected species before there can be a conviction under the law.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Chrétien (Prime Minister) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “A Guide for Ministers and Secretaries of State”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-371-38.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Chrétien (Prime Minister) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “The Ministry and Crown Corporations”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-371-39.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Chrétien (Prime Minister) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “The Ministry and Activities for Personal Political Purposes”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-371-40.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Bevilacqua (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) , — That Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) .

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, during the take-note debate in Committee of the Whole on Government Business No. 28 later today, no dilatory motions, quorum calls or requests for unanimous consent shall be received by the Chair.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Bevilacqua (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) , — That Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) .

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, during the take-note debate in Committee of the Whole on Government Business No. 28 later today, Members may be permitted to split their time by so indicating to the Chair.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mr. Bevilacqua (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) , — That Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) .

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

+

(Division No. 370 -- Vote no 370)

YEAS: 73, NAYS: 158

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Benoit
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casson
Cummins
Day
Dubé
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gagnon (Québec)
Gauthier
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Hanger
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Marceau
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Plamondon
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Ritz
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Strahl
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Vellacott
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Yelich -- 73
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Barnes (London West)
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Chrétien
Clark
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Eggleton
Eyking
Finlay
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Fry
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hearn
Herron
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marcil
Mark
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 158
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Allard
Bergeron
Bonwick
Caplan
Charbonneau
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Dromisky
Farrah
Fournier
Girard-Bujold
Graham
McCormick
O'Brien (Labrador)
Picard (Drummond)
Rocheleau
Tremblay
Vanclief
Venne

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 371 -- Vote no 371)

YEAS: 148, NAYS: 85

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes (London West)
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Chrétien
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Eggleton
Eyking
Finlay
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Fry
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilger (Stormont--Dundas--Charlottenburgh)
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Richardson
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 148
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casson
Clark
Comartin
Cummins
Day
Dubé
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gagnon (Québec)
Gauthier
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Hanger
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lill
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Plamondon
Rajotte
Ritz
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Vellacott
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Yelich -- 85
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Allard
Bergeron
Bonwick
Caplan
Charbonneau
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Dromisky
Farrah
Fournier
Girard-Bujold
Graham
McCormick
O'Brien (Labrador)
Picard (Drummond)
Rocheleau
Tremblay
Vanclief
Venne

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate has passed the following Bill to which the concurrence of the House is desired:

Bill S-41, An Act to re-enact legislative instruments enacted in only one official language.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was resolved, — That the House demand the immediate and unconditional release of Ingrid Betancourt, Senator and candidate in the presidential election held in Columbia on May 26, 2002, who was kidnapped on February 23, 2002, as well as the release of other civilians detained by FARC (The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia), and that, to this end, the House support the Ingrid Betancourt Canadian Support Committee.

Private Members' Business

At 5:59 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights of Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act (disallowance procedure for statutory instruments).

Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , seconded by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough Southwest) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

At 7:00 p.m. pursuant to Order made Friday, June 7, 2002, the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole for the consideration of the following motion, — That this House take note of the review of the Canadian health care system by the Romanow Commission.

At 11:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 7, 2002, the Committee rose.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate as follows:

    — ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-43, An Act to amend certain Acts and instruments and to repeal the Fisheries Prices Support Act, without amendment.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) — Copies of the Refugee Protection Division Rules, the Immigration Division Rules, the Immigration Appeal Division Rules and the Oath or Solemn Affirmation of Office Rules (SOR/2002-228, 2002-229, 2002-230 and 2002-231) made by Orders in Council P.C. 2002-998, P.C. 2002-999, P.C. 2002-1000 and P.C. 2002-1001 on June 11, 2002, pursuant to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, S.C. 2001, c. 27, sbs. 161(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-155-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

— by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) — Report of the National Farm Products Council for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-721-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

— by Ms. Beaumier (Brampton West—Mississauga) , two concerning pornography (Nos. 371-0811 and 371-0812).

Adjournment

At 11:00 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).