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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 110
Tuesday, June 3, 2003
10:00 a.m.
The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.
Whereupon, Mr. Kilger (Stormont—Dundas—Charlottenburgh) , Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to subsection 43(1) of the Parliament of Canada Act.
Prayers
Daily Routine Of Business
Tabling of Documents
The Deputy Speaker laid upon the Table, — Report of the Information Commissioner for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1, s. 38. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-734-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)
Statements by Ministers
Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) made a statement.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 32nd Report of the Committee (electoral boundaries for Nova Scotia). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-87.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 46) was tabled.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
— by Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , two concerning gun control (Nos. 372-1639 and 372-1640);
— by Mr. Chatters (Athabasca) , one concerning war on Iraq (No. 372-1641);
— by Ms. Sgro (York West) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-1642);
— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , one concerning unborn children (No. 372-1643);
— by Mr. Herron (Fundy—Royal) , one concerning health care services (No. 372-1644);
— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning the Food and Drugs Act (No. 372-1645).
Questions on Order Paper
Ms. Sgro (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works and Government Services) presented the answers to questions Q-173, Q-211, Q-225 and Q-227 on the Order Paper.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , seconded by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) , — That Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a third time and do pass;
And of the motion of Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa—Vanier) , seconded by Mr. Tirabassi (Niagara Centre) , — That this question be now put.
The debate continued.
Mr. Masse (Windsor West) , seconded by Mr. Herron (Fundy—Royal) , moved, — That this House do now adjourn.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:
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YEAS: 79, NAYS: 133
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , seconded by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) , — That Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a third time and do pass;
And of the motion of Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa—Vanier) , seconded by Mr. Tirabassi (Niagara Centre) , — That this question be now put.
The debate continued.
The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.
The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-31, An Act to amend the Pension Act and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs without amendment.
Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) for Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) , seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) , moved, — That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(11), Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) for Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) , seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.
Debate arose thereon.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
The Order was read for the consideration of the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act.
Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development)) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Industry) , seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) , moved, — That the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act, be now read a second time and concurred in.
Debate arose thereon.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the membership of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be modified as follows:
Gerald Keddy for Rick Borotsik
And that Rick Borotsik and Gary Schellenberger be added to the list of associate Members;
And that Gerald Keddy be removed from the list of associate Members.
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Industry) , seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) , — That the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act, be now read a second time and concurred in.
The debate continued.
Statements By Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
deferred recorded divisions
Private Members’ Business
Pursuant to Order made Wednesday, May 28, 2003, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. McDonough (Halifax) , seconded by Mr. Masse (Windsor West) , — That Bill C-419, An Act to amend the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act (members' staff), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:
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YEAS: 39, NAYS: 190
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Business of Supply
Pursuant to Order made Thursday, May 29, 2003, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose) , — That this House affirm its strong support for NORAD as a viable defence organisation to counter threats to North America, including the threat of ballistic missile attack; and support giving NORAD responsibility for the command of any system developed to defend North America against ballistic missiles.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 156, NAYS: 73
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Private Members’ Business
Pursuant to Order made Monday, June 2, 2003, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Jordan (Leeds—Grenville) , seconded by Mr. Bertrand (Pontiac—Gatineau—Labelle) , — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should develop and report annually on a set of social, environmental and economic indicators of the health and well-being of people, communities and ecosystems in Canada. (Private Members' Business M-385)
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 185, NAYS: 46
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Government Orders
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , seconded by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) , — That Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a third time and do pass.
The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa—Vanier) , seconded by Mr. Tirabassi (Niagara Centre) , — That this question be now put.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 139, NAYS: 95
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Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , seconded by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) , — That Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a third time and do pass.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 181, NAYS: 53
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Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
Government Orders
The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-7, An Act respecting leadership selection, administration and accountability of Indian bands, and to make related amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources with amendments.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76(5), the Deputy Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:
- Group No. 1 — Motions Nos. 1, 13, 14, 21, 23, 26 to 30, 42, 43, 45 and 46.
- Group No. 2 — Motions Nos. 4 to 6, 8 to 11, 48, 49 and 52 to 70.
- Group No. 3 — Motions Nos. 71, 85, 93 and 99.
- Group No. 4 — Motions Nos. 74, 76, 78 to 80, 82, 88, 90, 91, 94 and 102 to 104.
- Group No. 5 — Motions Nos. 84, 92, 96 and 98.
Group No. 1
Mr. Comartin (Windsor—St. Clair) , seconded by Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre) , moved Motion No. 1, — That Bill C-7, in the Preamble, be amended by replacing lines 15 and 16 on page 1 with the following:
“nance that are in accordance with their individual traditions and customs”
Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) for Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Owen (Secretary of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development)) , moved Motion No. 13, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 4, be amended by deleting lines 31 to 34 on page 4.
Mr. Comartin (Windsor—St. Clair) , seconded by Ms. Lill (Dartmouth) , moved Motion No. 14, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 34 on page 4 with the following:
“least 30 days before the vote is conducted”
Ms. Picard (Drummond) , seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot) , moved Motion No. 21, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 12 on page 7 with the following:
“members of a first nation of the first nation's law-making powers and, in”
Mr. Pallister (Portage—Lisgar) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , moved Motion No. 23, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 20 on page 8 the following:
“(2) The council of the band shall make available to the members of the band and the residents of the reserve a copy of the budget referred to in paragraph (1)(a) at least 14 days before the budget is presented in accordance with the financial management and accountability code.”
Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) for Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Owen (Secretary of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development)) , moved Motion No. 26, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 32 on page 9 with the following:
“(3) The Minister, or a person or body designated by the Minister, may carry out an assessment of a band's financial position, and require that remedial measures be taken, where
(a) the Minister has reason to believe that a deterioration of the band's financial health compromises the delivery of essential programs and services;
(b) financial statements have not been made publicly available within the period specified in subsection 9(3); or
(c) the band's auditor has denied an opinion, or has given an adverse opinion, on the band's financial statements.”
Mr. Comartin (Windsor—St. Clair) , seconded by Ms. Lill (Dartmouth) , moved Motion No. 27, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 23 on page 9 with the following:
“(3) The Council of a band shall, by band law, authorize an impartial person, or an impartial body established under section 18 to carry out an assessment of a band’s financial position and to require that remedial measures be taken when any of the following circumstances become known”
Mr. Pallister (Portage—Lisgar) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , moved Motion No. 28, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 18 on page 9 with the following:
“(3) The Minister, or an independent and impartial person or body designated by the Minister, may at any time carry out an assessment of a band’s financial or other”
Ms. Picard (Drummond) , seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot) , moved Motion No. 29, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing line 20 on page 9 with the following:
“necessary, the Minister may require, only with the consent of the members of the first nation, that”
Mr. Pallister (Portage—Lisgar) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , moved Motion No. 30, — That Bill C-7 be amended by deleting Clause 11.
Mr. Pallister (Portage—Lisgar) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , moved Motion No. 42, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 16, be amended by replacing line 23 on page 12 with the following:
“of the band and the charging of reasonably and fairly set fees for”
Mr. Pallister (Portage—Lisgar) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , moved Motion No. 43, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 16, be amended by replacing line 35 on page 12 with the following:
“for and powers of eviction, and a schedule of shelter fees for band-owned dwellings;”
Mr. Comartin (Windsor—St. Clair) , seconded by Ms. Lill (Dartmouth) , moved Motion No. 45, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 16, be amended by deleting lines 15 to 20 on page 13.
Ms. Picard (Drummond) , seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot) , moved Motion No. 46, — That Bill C-7, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 28 on page 13 with the following:
“products, fish and wildlife;”
Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.
Adjournment Proceedings
At 7:38 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
Accordingly, at 7:58 p.m., the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).