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44th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION

Journals

No. 361 (Unrevised)

Tuesday, October 29, 2024

10:00 a.m.



Prayer
Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Sidhu (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Export Promotion, International Trade and Economic Development) laid before the House, — Copy of the Decision No. 1/2024 of the Joint Committee established by the Agreement between Canada and the European Community on Trade in Wines and Spirit Drinks of 4 April 2024 amending Annexes I, III(A), III(B), IV(A) and VI of the Agreement between Canada and the European Community on Trade in Wines and Spirit Drinks, adopted at Ottawa and Brussels on April 4, 2024, and Explanatory Memorandum. — Sessional Paper No. 8532-441-57.


Motions

Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), moved, — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in. (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 68)

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for further consideration, provided that it be an instruction to the committee to study the consequences of defunding the CBC and Radio-Canada, including the effects on smaller communities, as promised by the Leader of the Official Opposition.”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:05 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:16 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in; (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 68)

And of the amendment of Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for further consideration, provided that it be an instruction to the committee to study the consequences of defunding the CBC and Radio-Canada, including the effects on smaller communities, as promised by the Leader of the Official Opposition.”.

The debate continued.

Tabling of Documents

Ms. Ien (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth) laid before the House, — Notice of a ways and means motion to introduce a bill to amend the Income Tax Act and the Income Tax Regulations. (Ways and Means No. 27) — Sessional Paper No. 8570-441-27.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Ms. Ien (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth), an order of the day was designated for the consideration of this ways and means motion.

Daily Routine Of Business

Motions

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in; (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 68)

And of the amendment of Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for further consideration, provided that it be an instruction to the committee to study the consequences of defunding the CBC and Radio-Canada, including the effects on smaller communities, as promised by the Leader of the Official Opposition.”.

The debate continued.

Mr. Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), moved the following subamendment, — That the amendment be amended:

(a) by adding, immediately after the word "including" the following: "how the Liberal threat to cut funding led to hundreds of CBC-Radio-Canada job cuts and"; and
(b) by adding, at the end, the following: ", provided that it be a further instruction to the committee: (a) that it report its findings to the House no later than Tuesday, December 17, 2024; (b) that, during this study, the following witnesses be ordered to appear for no less than two hours each: (i) Catherine Tait, (ii) Marie-Philippe Bouchard; (c) that the Minister of Canadian Heritage be ordered to appear for at least one hour; and (d) that, in addition to the witnesses mentioned in paragraph (b), it hear at least three hours of additional expert testimony.".

At 1:14 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the subamendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.


Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Ms. Dabrusin (Toronto—Danforth), one concerning animals (No. 441-02768);

— by Mr. Viersen (Peace River—Westlock), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02769);

— by Mr. Johns (Courtenay—Alberni), one concerning public safety (No. 441-02770);

— by Ms. May (Saanich—Gulf Islands), one concerning health (No. 441-02771);

— by Mr. Caputo (Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02772) and one concerning social affairs and equality (No. 441-02773);

— by Ms. Barron (Nanaimo—Ladysmith), one concerning employment and labour (No. 441-02774);

— by Ms. Lewis (Haldimand—Norfolk), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02775);

— by Mr. Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan), one concerning parliament and politics (No. 441-02776), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02777), one concerning social affairs and equality (No. 441-02778) and two concerning foreign affairs (Nos. 441-02779 and 441-02780).

Question of Privilege

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), — That the government's failure of fully providing documents, as ordered by the House on June 10, 2024, be hereby referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), — That the motion be amended by adding the following:

“provided that it be an instruction to the committee:
(a) that the following witnesses be ordered to appear before the committee, separately, for two hours each:
(i) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry,
(ii) the Clerk of the Privy Council,
(iii) the Auditor General of Canada,
(iv) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
(v) the Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada,
(vi) the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons,
(vii) the Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada,
(viii) a panel consisting of the Board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada; and
(b) that it report back to the House no later than Friday, November 22, 2024.”;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Muys (Flamborough—Glanbrook), seconded by Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), — That the amendment be amended by adding, after subparagraph (a)(ii), the following:

"(iii) the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, who respected the order of the House and deposited unredacted documents,
(iv) Paul MacKinnon, the former Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet (Governance),".

The debate continued.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Concurrence in Committee Reports

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for further consideration, provided that it be an instruction to the committee to study the consequences of defunding the CBC and Radio-Canada, including the effects on smaller communities, as promised by the Leader of the Official Opposition.”;

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the subamendment of Mr. Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the amendment be amended:

(a) by adding, immediately after the word "including" the following: "how the Liberal threat to cut funding led to hundreds of CBC-Radio-Canada job cuts and"; and
(b) by adding, at the end, the following: ", provided that it be a further instruction to the committee: (a) that it report its findings to the House no later than Tuesday, December 17, 2024; (b) that, during this study, the following witnesses be ordered to appear for no less than two hours each: (i) Catherine Tait, (ii) Marie-Philippe Bouchard; (c) that the Minister of Canadian Heritage be ordered to appear for at least one hour; and (d) that, in addition to the witnesses mentioned in paragraph (b), it hear at least three hours of additional expert testimony.".

The question was put on the subamendment and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 871 -- Vote no 871)
YEAS: 178, NAYS: 152

YEAS -- POUR

Aboultaif
Aitchison
Albas
Allison
Angus
Arnold
Ashton
Bachrach
Baldinelli
Barlow
Barrett
Barron
Barsalou-Duval
Beaulieu
Bergeron
Berthold
Bérubé
Bezan
Blanchet
Blanchette-Joncas
Blaney
Block
Boulerice
Bragdon
Brassard
Brock
Brunelle-Duceppe
Calkins
Cannings
Caputo
Carrie
Chabot
Chambers
Champoux
Chong
Collins (Victoria)
Cooper
Dalton
Dance
Dancho
Davidson
Davies
DeBellefeuille
Deltell
d'Entremont

Desbiens
Desilets
Desjarlais
Doherty
Dowdall
Dreeshen
Duncan (Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry)
Ellis
Epp
Falk (Battlefords—Lloydminster)
Falk (Provencher)
Fast
Ferreri
Findlay
Fortin
Gallant
Garon
Garrison
Gaudreau
Gazan
Généreux
Genuis
Gill
Gladu
Godin
Goodridge
Gourde
Gray
Green
Hallan
Hughes
Idlout
Jeneroux
Jivani
Johns
Julian
Kelly
Khanna
Kitchen
Kmiec
Kram
Kramp-Neuman
Kurek
Kusie
Kwan

Lake
Lantsman
Larouche
Lawrence
Lehoux
Lemire
Leslie
Lewis (Essex)
Lewis (Haldimand—Norfolk)
Liepert
Lloyd
Lobb
MacGregor
Maguire
Majumdar
Martel
Masse
Mathyssen
May (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Mazier
McCauley (Edmonton West)
McLean
McPherson
Melillo
Michaud
Moore
Morantz
Morrice
Morrison
Motz
Muys
Nater
Normandin
Patzer
Paul-Hus
Pauzé
Perkins
Perron
Plamondon
Poilievre
Rayes
Redekopp
Reid
Rempel Garner
Richards

Roberts
Rood
Ruff
Sauvé
Savard-Tremblay
Scheer
Schmale
Seeback
Shields
Shipley
Simard
Sinclair-Desgagné
Singh
Small
Soroka
Steinley
Ste-Marie
Stewart (Toronto—St. Paul's)
Stewart (Miramichi—Grand Lake)
Strahl
Stubbs
Thériault
Therrien
Tochor
Tolmie
Trudel
Uppal
Van Popta
Vecchio
Vidal
Vien
Viersen
Vignola
Villemure
Vis
Wagantall
Warkentin
Waugh
Webber
Williams
Williamson
Zarrillo
Zimmer

Total: -- 178

NAYS -- CONTRE

Alghabra
Ali
Anand
Anandasangaree
Arseneault
Arya
Atwin
Badawey
Bains
Baker
Battiste
Beech
Bendayan
Bibeau
Bittle
Blair
Blois
Boissonnault
Bradford
Brière
Carr
Casey
Chagger
Chahal
Champagne
Chatel
Chen
Chiang
Collins (Hamilton East—Stoney Creek)
Cormier
Coteau
Dabrusin
Damoff
Dhaliwal
Dhillon
Diab
Dong
Drouin

Dubourg
Duclos
Duguid
Dzerowicz
Ehsassi
El-Khoury
Erskine-Smith
Fisher
Fonseca
Fortier
Fragiskatos
Fraser
Freeland
Fry
Gaheer
Gainey
Gerretsen
Gould
Guilbeault
Hajdu
Hanley
Hardie
Hepfner
Holland
Housefather
Hussen
Hutchings
Iacono
Ien
Jaczek
Joly
Jones
Jowhari
Kayabaga
Kelloway
Khalid
Khera
Koutrakis

Kusmierczyk
Lalonde
Lambropoulos
Lamoureux
Lapointe
Lattanzio
Lauzon
LeBlanc
Lebouthillier
Lightbound
Long
Longfield
Louis (Kitchener—Conestoga)
MacAulay (Cardigan)
MacDonald (Malpeque)
MacKinnon (Gatineau)
Maloney
Martinez Ferrada
May (Cambridge)
McDonald (Avalon)
McGuinty
McKay
McKinnon (Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam)
McLeod
Mendès
Mendicino
Miao
Miller
Morrissey
Murray
Naqvi
Ng
Noormohamed
O'Connell
Oliphant
O'Regan
Petitpas Taylor
Powlowski

Qualtrough
Robillard
Rogers
Romanado
Rota
Sahota
Sajjan
Saks
Samson
Sarai
Scarpaleggia
Schiefke
Serré
Sgro
Shanahan
Sheehan
Sidhu (Brampton East)
Sidhu (Brampton South)
Sorbara
Sousa
St-Onge
Sudds
Tassi
Taylor Roy
Thompson
Trudeau
Turnbull
Valdez
Van Bynen
van Koeverden
Vandal
Vandenbeld
Virani
Weiler
Wilkinson
Yip
Zahid
Zuberi

Total: -- 152

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS

Nil--Aucun

Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the amendment, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 872 -- Vote no 872)
YEAS: 177, NAYS: 151

YEAS -- POUR

Aboultaif
Aitchison
Albas
Allison
Angus
Arnold
Ashton
Bachrach
Baldinelli
Barlow
Barrett
Barron
Barsalou-Duval
Beaulieu
Bergeron
Berthold
Bérubé
Bezan
Blanchet
Blanchette-Joncas
Blaney
Block
Boulerice
Bragdon
Brassard
Brock
Brunelle-Duceppe
Calkins
Cannings
Caputo
Carrie
Chabot
Chambers
Champoux
Chong
Collins (Victoria)
Cooper
Dalton
Dance
Dancho
Davidson
Davies
DeBellefeuille
Deltell

d'Entremont
Desbiens
Desilets
Desjarlais
Doherty
Dowdall
Dreeshen
Duncan (Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry)
Ellis
Epp
Falk (Battlefords—Lloydminster)
Falk (Provencher)
Fast
Ferreri
Findlay
Fortin
Gallant
Garon
Garrison
Gaudreau
Gazan
Généreux
Genuis
Gill
Gladu
Godin
Goodridge
Gourde
Gray
Green
Hallan
Hughes
Idlout
Jeneroux
Jivani
Johns
Julian
Kelly
Khanna
Kitchen
Kmiec
Kram
Kramp-Neuman
Kurek

Kusie
Kwan
Lake
Lantsman
Larouche
Lawrence
Lehoux
Lemire
Leslie
Lewis (Essex)
Lewis (Haldimand—Norfolk)
Liepert
Lloyd
Lobb
MacGregor
Maguire
Majumdar
Martel
Masse
Mathyssen
May (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Mazier
McCauley (Edmonton West)
McLean
McPherson
Melillo
Michaud
Moore
Morantz
Morrice
Morrison
Motz
Muys
Nater
Normandin
Patzer
Paul-Hus
Pauzé
Perkins
Perron
Plamondon
Poilievre
Redekopp
Reid

Rempel Garner
Richards
Roberts
Rood
Ruff
Sauvé
Savard-Tremblay
Scheer
Schmale
Seeback
Shields
Shipley
Simard
Sinclair-Desgagné
Singh
Small
Soroka
Steinley
Ste-Marie
Stewart (Toronto—St. Paul's)
Stewart (Miramichi—Grand Lake)
Strahl
Stubbs
Thériault
Therrien
Tochor
Tolmie
Trudel
Uppal
Van Popta
Vecchio
Vidal
Vien
Viersen
Vignola
Villemure
Vis
Wagantall
Warkentin
Waugh
Webber
Williams
Williamson
Zarrillo
Zimmer

Total: -- 177

NAYS -- CONTRE

Alghabra
Ali
Anand
Anandasangaree
Arseneault
Arya
Atwin
Badawey
Bains
Baker
Battiste
Beech
Bendayan
Bibeau
Bittle
Blair
Blois
Boissonnault
Bradford
Brière
Carr
Casey
Chagger
Chahal
Champagne
Chatel
Chen
Chiang
Collins (Hamilton East—Stoney Creek)
Cormier
Coteau
Dabrusin
Damoff
Dhaliwal
Dhillon
Diab
Drouin
Dubourg

Duclos
Duguid
Dzerowicz
Ehsassi
El-Khoury
Erskine-Smith
Fisher
Fonseca
Fortier
Fragiskatos
Fraser
Freeland
Fry
Gaheer
Gainey
Gerretsen
Gould
Guilbeault
Hajdu
Hanley
Hardie
Hepfner
Holland
Housefather
Hussen
Hutchings
Iacono
Ien
Jaczek
Joly
Jones
Jowhari
Kayabaga
Kelloway
Khalid
Khera
Koutrakis
Kusmierczyk

Lalonde
Lambropoulos
Lamoureux
Lapointe
Lattanzio
Lauzon
LeBlanc
Lebouthillier
Lightbound
Long
Longfield
Louis (Kitchener—Conestoga)
MacAulay (Cardigan)
MacDonald (Malpeque)
MacKinnon (Gatineau)
Maloney
Martinez Ferrada
May (Cambridge)
McDonald (Avalon)
McGuinty
McKay
McKinnon (Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam)
McLeod
Mendès
Mendicino
Miao
Miller
Morrissey
Murray
Naqvi
Ng
Noormohamed
O'Connell
Oliphant
O'Regan
Petitpas Taylor
Powlowski
Qualtrough

Robillard
Rogers
Romanado
Rota
Sahota
Sajjan
Saks
Samson
Sarai
Scarpaleggia
Schiefke
Serré
Sgro
Shanahan
Sheehan
Sidhu (Brampton East)
Sidhu (Brampton South)
Sorbara
Sousa
St-Onge
Sudds
Tassi
Taylor Roy
Thompson
Trudeau
Turnbull
Valdez
Van Bynen
van Koeverden
Vandal
Vandenbeld
Virani
Weiler
Wilkinson
Yip
Zahid
Zuberi

Total: -- 151

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS

Nil--Aucun

Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the main motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 873 -- Vote no 873)
YEAS: 177, NAYS: 151
(See list under Division No. 872)
Question of Privilege

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable);

And of the amendment of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets);

And of the subamendment of Mr. Muys (Flamborough—Glanbrook), seconded by Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle).

The debate continued.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid before the House as follows:

— by Mr. Duclos (Minister of Public Services and Procurement) — Summaries of the Corporate Plans for 2023-2024 to 2027-2028 and 2024-25 to 2028-29 of the National Capital Commission, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S., 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-441-821-03. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)

— by Mr. LeBlanc (Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs) — Report of the Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, pursuant to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act, S.C. 1992, c. 20, s. 192. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-72-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security)

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:46 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:15 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).