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44th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION

Journals No. 361 (Unrevised) Tuesday, October 29, 2024 10:00 a.m.

Prayer

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Sidhu (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Export Promotion, International Trade and Economic Development) laid before the House, — Copy of the Decision No. 1/2024 of the Joint Committee established by the Agreement between Canada and the European Community on Trade in Wines and Spirit Drinks of 4 April 2024 amending Annexes I, III(A), III(B), IV(A) and VI of the Agreement between Canada and the European Community on Trade in Wines and Spirit Drinks, adopted at Ottawa and Brussels on April 4, 2024, and Explanatory Memorandum. — Sessional Paper No. 8532-441-57.

Motions

Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), moved, — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in. (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 68)

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for further consideration, provided that it be an instruction to the committee to study the consequences of defunding the CBC and Radio-Canada, including the effects on smaller communities, as promised by the Leader of the Official Opposition.”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:05 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:16 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in; (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 68)

And of the amendment of Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

The debate continued.

Tabling of Documents

Ms. Ien (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth) laid before the House, — Notice of a ways and means motion to introduce a bill to amend the Income Tax Act and the Income Tax Regulations. (Ways and Means No. 27) — Sessional Paper No. 8570-441-27.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Ms. Ien (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth), an order of the day was designated for the consideration of this ways and means motion.

Daily Routine Of Business

Motions

The debate continued.

Mr. Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), moved the following subamendment, — That the amendment be amended:

(a) by adding, immediately after the word "including" the following: "how the Liberal threat to cut funding led to hundreds of CBC-Radio-Canada job cuts and"; and

(b) by adding, at the end, the following: ", provided that it be a further instruction to the committee: (a) that it report its findings to the House no later than Tuesday, December 17, 2024; (b) that, during this study, the following witnesses be ordered to appear for no less than two hours each: (i) Catherine Tait, (ii) Marie-Philippe Bouchard; (c) that the Minister of Canadian Heritage be ordered to appear for at least one hour; and (d) that, in addition to the witnesses mentioned in paragraph (b), it hear at least three hours of additional expert testimony.".

At 1:14 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the subamendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Ms. Dabrusin (Toronto—Danforth), one concerning animals (No. 441-02768);

— by Mr. Viersen (Peace River—Westlock), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02769);

— by Mr. Johns (Courtenay—Alberni), one concerning public safety (No. 441-02770);

— by Ms. May (Saanich—Gulf Islands), one concerning health (No. 441-02771);

— by Mr. Caputo (Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02772) and one concerning social affairs and equality (No. 441-02773);

— by Ms. Barron (Nanaimo—Ladysmith), one concerning employment and labour (No. 441-02774);

— by Ms. Lewis (Haldimand—Norfolk), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02775);

— by Mr. Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan), one concerning parliament and politics (No. 441-02776), one concerning civil and human rights (No. 441-02777), one concerning social affairs and equality (No. 441-02778) and two concerning foreign affairs (Nos. 441-02779 and 441-02780).

Question of Privilege

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), — That the government's failure of fully providing documents, as ordered by the House on June 10, 2024, be hereby referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), — That the motion be amended by adding the following:

“provided that it be an instruction to the committee:

(a) that the following witnesses be ordered to appear before the committee, separately, for two hours each:

(i) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry,

(ii) the Clerk of the Privy Council,

(iii) the Auditor General of Canada,

(iv) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,

(v) the Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada,

(vi) the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons,

(vii) the Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada,

(viii) a panel consisting of the Board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada; and

(b) that it report back to the House no later than Friday, November 22, 2024.”;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Muys (Flamborough—Glanbrook), seconded by Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), — That the amendment be amended by adding, after subparagraph (a)(ii), the following:

"(iii) the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, who respected the order of the House and deposited unredacted documents,

(iv) Paul MacKinnon, the former Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet (Governance),".

The debate continued.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Concurrence in Committee Reports

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be concurred in;
And of the amendment of Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), seconded by Ms. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:
“the eighth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for further consideration, provided that it be an instruction to the committee to study the consequences of defunding the CBC and Radio-Canada, including the effects on smaller communities, as promised by the Leader of the Official Opposition.”;
The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the subamendment of Mr. Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the amendment be amended:
(a) by adding, immediately after the word "including" the following: "how the Liberal threat to cut funding led to hundreds of CBC-Radio-Canada job cuts and"; and
(b) by adding, at the end, the following: ", provided that it be a further instruction to the committee: (a) that it report its findings to the House no later than Tuesday, December 17, 2024; (b) that, during this study, the following witnesses be ordered to appear for no less than two hours each: (i) Catherine Tait, (ii) Marie-Philippe Bouchard; (c) that the Minister of Canadian Heritage be ordered to appear for at least one hour; and (d) that, in addition to the witnesses mentioned in paragraph (b), it hear at least three hours of additional expert testimony.".
The question was put on the subamendment and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division No. 871 -- Vote n^o 871)
YEAS: 178, NAYS: 152
YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif Aitchison Albas Allison Angus Arnold Ashton Bachrach Baldinelli Barlow Barrett Barron Barsalou-Duval Beaulieu Bergeron Berthold Bérubé Bezan Blanchet Blanchette-Joncas Blaney Block Boulerice Bragdon Brassard Brock Brunelle-Duceppe Calkins Cannings Caputo Carrie Chabot Chambers Champoux Chong Collins (Victoria) Cooper Dalton Dance Dancho Davidson Davies DeBellefeuille Deltell d'Entremont Desbiens Desilets Desjarlais Doherty Dowdall Dreeshen Duncan (Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry) Ellis Epp Falk (Battlefords—Lloydminster) Falk (Provencher) Fast Ferreri Findlay Fortin Gallant Garon Garrison Gaudreau Gazan Généreux Genuis Gill Gladu Godin Goodridge Gourde Gray Green Hallan Hughes Idlout Jeneroux Jivani Johns Julian Kelly Khanna Kitchen Kmiec Kram Kramp-Neuman Kurek Kusie Kwan Lake Lantsman Larouche Lawrence Lehoux Lemire Leslie Lewis (Essex) Lewis (Haldimand—Norfolk) Liepert Lloyd Lobb MacGregor Maguire Majumdar Martel Masse Mathyssen May (Saanich—Gulf Islands) Mazier McCauley (Edmonton West) McLean McPherson Melillo Michaud Moore Morantz Morrice Morrison Motz Muys Nater Normandin Patzer Paul-Hus Pauzé Perkins Perron Plamondon Poilievre Rayes Redekopp Reid Rempel Garner Richards Roberts Rood Ruff Sauvé Savard-Tremblay Scheer Schmale Seeback Shields Shipley Simard Sinclair-Desgagné Singh Small Soroka Steinley Ste-Marie Stewart (Toronto—St. Paul's) Stewart (Miramichi—Grand Lake) Strahl Stubbs Thériault Therrien Tochor Tolmie Trudel Uppal Van Popta Vecchio Vidal Vien Viersen Vignola Villemure Vis Wagantall Warkentin Waugh Webber Williams Williamson Zarrillo Zimmer Total: -- 178
NAYS -- CONTRE Alghabra Ali Anand Anandasangaree Arseneault Arya Atwin Badawey Bains Baker Battiste Beech Bendayan Bibeau Bittle Blair Blois Boissonnault Bradford Brière Carr Casey Chagger Chahal Champagne Chatel Chen Chiang Collins (Hamilton East—Stoney Creek) Cormier Coteau Dabrusin Damoff Dhaliwal Dhillon Diab Dong Drouin Dubourg Duclos Duguid Dzerowicz Ehsassi El-Khoury Erskine-Smith Fisher Fonseca Fortier Fragiskatos Fraser Freeland Fry Gaheer Gainey Gerretsen Gould Guilbeault Hajdu Hanley Hardie Hepfner Holland Housefather Hussen Hutchings Iacono Ien Jaczek Joly Jones Jowhari Kayabaga Kelloway Khalid Khera Koutrakis Kusmierczyk Lalonde Lambropoulos Lamoureux Lapointe Lattanzio Lauzon LeBlanc Lebouthillier Lightbound Long Longfield Louis (Kitchener—Conestoga) MacAulay (Cardigan) MacDonald (Malpeque) MacKinnon (Gatineau) Maloney Martinez Ferrada May (Cambridge) McDonald (Avalon) McGuinty McKay McKinnon (Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam) McLeod Mendès Mendicino Miao Miller Morrissey Murray Naqvi Ng Noormohamed O'Connell Oliphant O'Regan Petitpas Taylor Powlowski Qualtrough Robillard Rogers Romanado Rota Sahota Sajjan Saks Samson Sarai Scarpaleggia Schiefke Serré Sgro Shanahan Sheehan Sidhu (Brampton East) Sidhu (Brampton South) Sorbara Sousa St-Onge Sudds Tassi Taylor Roy Thompson Trudeau Turnbull Valdez Van Bynen van Koeverden Vandal Vandenbeld Virani Weiler Wilkinson Yip Zahid Zuberi Total: -- 152
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Nil--Aucun

Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the amendment, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division No. 872 -- Vote n^o 872)
YEAS: 177, NAYS: 151
YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif Aitchison Albas Allison Angus Arnold Ashton Bachrach Baldinelli Barlow Barrett Barron Barsalou-Duval Beaulieu Bergeron Berthold Bérubé Bezan Blanchet Blanchette-Joncas Blaney Block Boulerice Bragdon Brassard Brock Brunelle-Duceppe Calkins Cannings Caputo Carrie Chabot Chambers Champoux Chong Collins (Victoria) Cooper Dalton Dance Dancho Davidson Davies DeBellefeuille Deltell d'Entremont Desbiens Desilets Desjarlais Doherty Dowdall Dreeshen Duncan (Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry) Ellis Epp Falk (Battlefords—Lloydminster) Falk (Provencher) Fast Ferreri Findlay Fortin Gallant Garon Garrison Gaudreau Gazan Généreux Genuis Gill Gladu Godin Goodridge Gourde Gray Green Hallan Hughes Idlout Jeneroux Jivani Johns Julian Kelly Khanna Kitchen Kmiec Kram Kramp-Neuman Kurek Kusie Kwan Lake Lantsman Larouche Lawrence Lehoux Lemire Leslie Lewis (Essex) Lewis (Haldimand—Norfolk) Liepert Lloyd Lobb MacGregor Maguire Majumdar Martel Masse Mathyssen May (Saanich—Gulf Islands) Mazier McCauley (Edmonton West) McLean McPherson Melillo Michaud Moore Morantz Morrice Morrison Motz Muys Nater Normandin Patzer Paul-Hus Pauzé Perkins Perron Plamondon Poilievre Redekopp Reid Rempel Garner Richards Roberts Rood Ruff Sauvé Savard-Tremblay Scheer Schmale Seeback Shields Shipley Simard Sinclair-Desgagné Singh Small Soroka Steinley Ste-Marie Stewart (Toronto—St. Paul's) Stewart (Miramichi—Grand Lake) Strahl Stubbs Thériault Therrien Tochor Tolmie Trudel Uppal Van Popta Vecchio Vidal Vien Viersen Vignola Villemure Vis Wagantall Warkentin Waugh Webber Williams Williamson Zarrillo Zimmer Total: -- 177
NAYS -- CONTRE Alghabra Ali Anand Anandasangaree Arseneault Arya Atwin Badawey Bains Baker Battiste Beech Bendayan Bibeau Bittle Blair Blois Boissonnault Bradford Brière Carr Casey Chagger Chahal Champagne Chatel Chen Chiang Collins (Hamilton East—Stoney Creek) Cormier Coteau Dabrusin Damoff Dhaliwal Dhillon Diab Drouin Dubourg Duclos Duguid Dzerowicz Ehsassi El-Khoury Erskine-Smith Fisher Fonseca Fortier Fragiskatos Fraser Freeland Fry Gaheer Gainey Gerretsen Gould Guilbeault Hajdu Hanley Hardie Hepfner Holland Housefather Hussen Hutchings Iacono Ien Jaczek Joly Jones Jowhari Kayabaga Kelloway Khalid Khera Koutrakis Kusmierczyk Lalonde Lambropoulos Lamoureux Lapointe Lattanzio Lauzon LeBlanc Lebouthillier Lightbound Long Longfield Louis (Kitchener—Conestoga) MacAulay (Cardigan) MacDonald (Malpeque) MacKinnon (Gatineau) Maloney Martinez Ferrada May (Cambridge) McDonald (Avalon) McGuinty McKay McKinnon (Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam) McLeod Mendès Mendicino Miao Miller Morrissey Murray Naqvi Ng Noormohamed O'Connell Oliphant O'Regan Petitpas Taylor Powlowski Qualtrough Robillard Rogers Romanado Rota Sahota Sajjan Saks Samson Sarai Scarpaleggia Schiefke Serré Sgro Shanahan Sheehan Sidhu (Brampton East) Sidhu (Brampton South) Sorbara Sousa St-Onge Sudds Tassi Taylor Roy Thompson Trudeau Turnbull Valdez Van Bynen van Koeverden Vandal Vandenbeld Virani Weiler Wilkinson Yip Zahid Zuberi Total: -- 151
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Nil--Aucun

Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the main motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division No. 873 -- Vote n^o 873)
YEAS: 177, NAYS: 151 (See list under Division No. 872)

Question of Privilege

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable);

And of the amendment of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets);

And of the subamendment of Mr. Muys (Flamborough—Glanbrook), seconded by Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle).

The debate continued.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid before the House as follows:

— by Mr. Duclos (Minister of Public Services and Procurement) — Summaries of the Corporate Plans for 2023-2024 to 2027-2028 and 2024-25 to 2028-29 of the National Capital Commission, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S., 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-441-821-03. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)

— by Mr. LeBlanc (Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs) — Report of the Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024, pursuant to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act, S.C. 1992, c. 20, s. 192. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-441-72-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security)

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:46 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:15 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).