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| 44th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION | |
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JournalsNo. 373 (Unrevised) Thursday, November 21, 2024 10:00 a.m. |
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The clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker. |
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Whereupon, Mrs. Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing), Assistant Deputy Speaker and Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole, took the chair, pursuant to Standing Order 8. |
| Prayer |
| Daily Routine Of Business |
Tabling of Documents |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid before the House, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: |
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— Nos. 441-02672, 441-02678 and 441-02686 concerning health; |
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— No. 441-02673 concerning media and telecommunications; |
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— No. 441-02674 concerning employment and labour; |
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— No. 441-02675 concerning transportation; |
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— No. 441-02676 concerning parliament and politics; |
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— Nos. 441-02677, 441-02681 and 441-02682 concerning foreign affairs; |
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— No. 441-02680 concerning taxation; |
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— Nos. 441-02683 and 441-02684 concerning social affairs and equality. |
Motions |
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Ms. Dancho (Kildonan—St. Paul), seconded by Mr. Tolmie (Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan), moved, — That the third report of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, presented on Monday, April 25, 2022, be concurred in. (Concurrence in Committee Reports No. 76) |
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Debate arose thereon. |
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Mr. Lloyd (Sturgeon River—Parkland), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following: |
“the third report of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, presented on Monday, April 25, 2022, be not now concurred in but that it be recommitted to the committee for further consideration, with a view to studying the rates of violent crime which have remained unacceptably high in the 31 months since this report was originally tabled, and updating the recommendations with proposals to stop the crimes which are creating far too many preventable tragedies, provided that, for the purposes of this study:
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(a) the following be ordered to appear as witnesses, for at least two hours each, at dates and times to be fixed by the Chair of the committee, but no later than Tuesday, December 17, 2024,
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(i) the Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs,
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(ii) the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada; and
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(b) it be an instruction that the committee,
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(i) hold at least four other meetings to receive evidence from law enforcement, victims’ representatives, stakeholders and experts, proposed by the members of the committee,
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(ii) invite representatives of the following organizations,
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(A) the Toronto Police Association,
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(B) the Surrey Police Union,
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(C) la Fédération des policiers et policières municipaux du Québec,
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(D) the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies,
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(E) the John Howard Society of Canada,
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(iii) report its findings to the House by Friday, February 28, 2025.”.
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Debate arose thereon. |
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Ms. Damoff (Oakville North—Burlington), seconded by Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), moved the following subamendment, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words: |
(a) “Tuesday, December 17, 2024” with the words “Monday, February 24, 2025”; and
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(b) “Friday, February 28, 2025” with the words “Monday, March 31, 2025”.
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Debate arose thereon. |
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At 1:05 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the Assistant Deputy Speaker interrupted the proceedings. |
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The question was put on the subamendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions. |
Presenting Petitions |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows: |
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— by Ms. Collins (Victoria), one concerning health (No. 441-02881), one concerning food and drink (No. 441-02882), one concerning business and trade (No. 441-02883) and one concerning justice (No. 441-02884); |
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— by Mr. Gerretsen (Kingston and the Islands), one concerning parliament and politics (No. 441-02885). |
| Question of Privilege |
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), — That the government's failure of fully providing documents, as ordered by the House on June 10, 2024, be hereby referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs; |
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And of the amendment, as amended, of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), — That the motion be amended by adding the following: |
“provided that it be an instruction to the committee:
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(a) that the following witnesses be ordered to appear before the committee, separately, for two hours each:
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(i) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry,
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(ii) the Clerk of the Privy Council,
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(iii) the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, who respected the order of the House and deposited unredacted documents,
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(iv) Paul MacKinnon, the former Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet (Governance),
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(v) the Auditor General of Canada,
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(vi) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
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(vii) the Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada,
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(viii) the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons,
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(ix) the Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada,
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(x) a panel consisting of the Board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada; and
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(b) that it report back to the House no later than the 30th sitting day following the adoption of this order.";
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And of the subamendment of Mr. Kelly (Calgary Rocky Ridge), seconded by Mr. Falk (Provencher), — That the amendment be amended by adding the following: |
“, except that the order for the committee to report back to the House within 30 sitting days shall be discharged if the Speaker has sooner laid upon the table a notice from the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel confirming that all government institutions have fully complied with the order adopted on June 10, 2024, by depositing all of their responsive records in an unredacted form”.
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The debate continued. |
| Statements By Members |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 31, members made statements. |
| Oral Questions |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions. |
| Deferred Recorded Divisions |
Concurrence in Committee Reports |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Dancho (Kildonan—St. Paul), seconded by Mr. Tolmie (Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan), — That the third report of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, presented on Monday, April 25, 2022, be concurred in; |
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And of the amendment of Mr. Lloyd (Sturgeon River—Parkland), seconded by Mr. Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following: |
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“the third report of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, presented on Monday, April 25, 2022, be not now concurred in but that it be recommitted to the committee for further consideration, with a view to studying the rates of violent crime which have remained unacceptably high in the 31 months since this report was originally tabled, and updating the recommendations with proposals to stop the crimes which are creating far too many preventable tragedies, provided that, for the purposes of this study:
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(a) the following be ordered to appear as witnesses, for at least two hours each, at dates and times to be fixed by the Chair of the committee, but no later than Tuesday, December 17, 2024,
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(i) the Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs,
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(ii) the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada; and
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(b) it be an instruction that the committee,
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(i) hold at least four other meetings to receive evidence from law enforcement, victims’ representatives, stakeholders and experts, proposed by the members of the committee,
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(ii) invite representatives of the following organizations,
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(A) the Toronto Police Association,
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(B) the Surrey Police Union,
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(C) la Fédération des policiers et policières municipaux du Québec,
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(D) the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies,
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(E) the John Howard Society of Canada,
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(iii) report its findings to the House by Friday, February 28, 2025.”;
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The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the subamendment of Ms. Damoff (Oakville North—Burlington), seconded by Mr. Lamoureux (Winnipeg North), — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words: |
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(a) “Tuesday, December 17, 2024” with the words “Monday, February 24, 2025”; and
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(b) “Friday, February 28, 2025” with the words “Monday, March 31, 2025”.
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The question was put on the subamendment and it was negatived on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 888 -- Vote no 888) | |
| YEAS: 152, NAYS: 176 |
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YEAS -- POUR Alghabra Dubourg Lalonde Qualtrough Total: -- 152 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Aboultaif Desbiens Lake Roberts Total: -- 176 |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Nil--Aucun |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 889 -- Vote no 889) | |
| YEAS: 149, NAYS: 177 |
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YEAS -- POUR Aboultaif Dowdall Lemire Savard-Tremblay Total: -- 149 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Alghabra Dhaliwal Kelloway O'Connell Total: -- 177 |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Nil--Aucun |
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Pursuant to Standing Order 66(2), the question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division: |
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| (Division No. 890 -- Vote no 890) | |
| YEAS: 210, NAYS: 117 |
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YEAS -- POUR Alghabra Desbiens Khera Powlowski Total: -- 210 |
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NAYS -- CONTRE Aboultaif Ellis Leslie Ruff Total: -- 117 |
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PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Nil--Aucun |
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| Interruption |
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At 3:52 p.m., the sitting was suspended. |
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At 3:56 p.m., the sitting resumed. |
| Question of Privilege |
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The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle), seconded by Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable); |
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And of the amendment, as amended, of Mr. Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets); |
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And of the subamendment of Mr. Kelly (Calgary Rocky Ridge), seconded by Mr. Falk (Provencher). |
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The debate continued. |
| Adjournment Proceedings |
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At 6:47 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed. |
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After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted. |
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Accordingly, at 7:14 p.m., the Assistant Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1). |