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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 113

Wednesday, December 4, 1996

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) Nos. 352-0920, 352-1034 and 352-1062 concerning the United States' policy towards Cuba. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-127.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Walker (Winnipeg North Centre), from the Standing Committee on Industry, presented the 3rd Report of the Committee (Bill C-57, An Act to amend the Bell Canada Act, without amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-61.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), seconded by Mr. Nunziata (York South -- Weston), Bill C-359, An Act to establish a national register of pedophiles and to provide legislative authority for the administration of the Canadian Police Information Centre by the R.C.M.P., was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), seconded by Mr. Nunziata (York South -- Weston), Bill C-360, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (chemical neutralization of pedophiles), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1355);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 352-1356);

-- by Mr. Penson (Peace River), one concerning national daycare standards (No. 352-1357);

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning sexual abuse of children (No. 352-1358);

-- by Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1359);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Middlesex), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1360);

-- by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1361);

-- by Mr. White (Fraser Valley West), one concerning natural gas from Sable Island (No. 352-1362);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters' death benefits (No. 352-1363), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1364) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-1365);

-- by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning profits from crime (No. 352-1366) and one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1367).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-81 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Health), --

    WHEREAS section 43 of the Constitution Act, 1982 provides that an amendment to the Constitution of Canada may be made by proclamation issued by the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada where so authorized by resolutions of the Senate and House of Commons and of the legislative assembly of each province to which the amendment applies;
    NOW THEREFORE the House of Commons resolves that an amendment to the Constitution of Canada be authorized to be made by proclamation issued by His Excellency the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada in accordance with the schedule hereto.

SCHEDULE

AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF CANADA

      1. Term 17 of the Terms of Union of Newfoundland with Canada set out in the Schedule to the Newfoundland Act is repealed and the following substituted therefor:
        "17. In lieu of section ninety-three of the Constitution Act 1867, the following shall apply in respect of the Province of Newfoundland:
      In and for the Province of Newfoundland, the Legislature shall have exclusive authority to make laws in relation to education but
        (a) except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c), schools established, maintained and operated with public funds shall be denominational schools, and any class of persons having rights under this Term as it read on January 1, 1995 shall continue to have the right to provide for religious education, activities and observances for the children of that class in those schools, and the group of classes that formed one integrated school system by agreement in 1969 may exercise the same rights under this Term as a single class of persons;
        (b) subject to provincial legislation that is uniformly applicable to all schools specifying conditions for the establishment or continued operation of schools,
          (i) any class of persons referred to in paragraph (a) shall have the right to have a publicly funded denominational school established, maintained and operated especially for that class, and
          (ii) the Legislature may approve the establishment, maintenance and operation of a publicly funded school, whether denominational or non-denominational;
        (c) where a school is established, maintained and operated pursuant to subparagraph (b) (i), the class of persons referred to in that subparagraph shall continue to have the right to provide for religious education, activities and observances and to direct the teaching of aspects of curriculum affecting religious beliefs, student admission policy and the assignment and dismissal of teachers in that school;
        (d) all schools referred to in paragraphs (a) and (b) shall receive their share of public funds in accordance with scales determined on a non-discriminatory basis from time to time by the Legislature; and
        (e) if the classes of persons having rights under this Term so desire, they shall have the right to elect in total not less than two thirds of the members of a school board, and any class so desiring shall have the right to elect the portion of that total that is proportionate to the population of that class in the area under the board's jurisdiction."
    Citation
      2. This Amendment may be cited as the Constitution Amendment, year of proclamation (Newfoundland Act); (Government Business No. 12)

And of the amendment of Mr. Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood), seconded by Mr. Bellemare (Carleton -- Gloucester), -- That the motion be amended in the schedule entitled ``Amendment to the Constitution of Canada'':

    (a) by adding the words ``where numbers warrant'' immediately before the word ``any'' in paragraph (b)(i);
    (b) by adding the words ``determine and'' immediately following the words ``observances and to'' in paragraph (c).

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 194)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Bonin -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Cummins -- Duhamel -- Epp -- Hanrahan -- Hayes -- Kerpan -- Lincoln -- McTeague -- Nunziata -- Steckle -- 15

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Alcock -- Anawak -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bethel -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crête -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gerrard -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hubbard -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Mayfield -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 186

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Allmand -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crawford -- Daviault -- Dubé -- Eggleton -- Gauthier -- Kirkby -- Langlois -- Lee -- Massé -- Pomerleau -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 195)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Alcock -- Anawak -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crête -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gerrard -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hubbard -- Irwin -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Mayfield -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- Young -- Zed -- 172

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Baker -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Bonin -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Calder -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cummins -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Epp -- Grose -- Hanrahan -- Hayes -- Hopkins -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Lincoln -- McCormick -- McTeague -- Nunziata -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- Peric -- Schmidt -- Skoke -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Ur -- Valeri -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wood -- 42

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Allmand -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crawford -- Daviault -- Dubé -- Eggleton -- Gauthier -- Kirkby -- Langlois -- Lee -- Massé -- Pomerleau -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

    "Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence."

The debate continued.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), seconded by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), -- That, in the opinion of this House, the Minister of Transport should proceed rapidly to establish a Canadian test site for Operation Respond, a computerized database of hazardous materials that would improve safety for fire fighters and help save lives and property; (Private Members' Business M-241)

And of the amendment of Mr. Crête (Kamouraska -- Rivière-du-Loup), seconded by Mr. Leroux (Shefford), -- That the motion be amended by adding after the word ``should'', the following:

      ``, in agreement with the provinces,''.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and it was agreed to.

The House resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, of Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), seconded by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), -- That, in the opinion of this House, the Minister of Transport should, in agreement with the provinces, proceed rapidly to establish a Canadian test site for Operation Respond, a computerized database of hazardous materials that would improve safety for fire fighters and help save lives and property. (Private Members' Business M-241)

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.

INTERRUPTION

At 6:00 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:03 p.m., the sitting resumed.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

-- ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-26, An Act respecting the oceans of Canada, without amendment.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1368), one concerning profits from crime (No. 352-1369) and one concerning gun control (No. 352-1370);

-- by Mr. Flis (Parkdale -- High Park), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1371).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:03 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:10 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).