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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 005

Monday, October 18, 1999

11:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

ADDRESS IN REPLY TO THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Limoges (Windsor -- St. Clair), seconded by Ms. Folco (Laval West), -- That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada:

        To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
      MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
        We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament;

And of the amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North), -- That the following words be added to the Address:

    «and that this House regrets that your Government has failed through a lack of vision and commitment to sound principles to adequately address the allegations of corruption against it, including the abuse of patronage; failed to bring integrity to Canada's immigration system by allowing organized crime to take advantage of Canadians' generosity and by undermining the standing of legitimate immigrants and genuine refugees; failed to seriously deal with the problem of drug trafficking, youth crime, and child pornography; rejected the common sense policies of other governments, most notably the Ontario and Alberta governments, of lowering taxes to create jobs and prevent companies, young people, and capital from leaving the country; failed to maintain the supremacy of Parliament in relation to the courts; failed to recognize the serious plight of Canadian agriculture and to provide a framework for reorganizing the airline industry; failed to provide for the democratic reform of federal institutions and the reform of federal-provincial relations through re-balancing the powers; and therefore, having failed to demonstrate the capacity, commitment, and vision required to lead this country into the 21st Century, has lost the confidence of this House and the Canadian people.'';

And of the sub-amendment Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), -- That the amendment be amended by inserting, after the words ``airline industry'', the following:

    ``and give Canadians some indication of its vision of Canada's airline industry in the 21st Century''.

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 361-1789 concerning the agricultural industry. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-11-01;

-- Nos. 361-1966, 361-2008, 361-2150, 361-2151, 361-2152, 361- 2153, 361-2154, 361-2300, 361-2301 and 361-2308 concerning veterans' affairs. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-1-02.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. MacAulay (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Ms. Minna (Minister for International Cooperation), Bill C-7, An Act to amend the Criminal Records Act and to amend another Act in consequence, was introduced, read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 14, 1999, the Bill (previously Bill C-69, 1st Session, 36th Parliament) was deemed to have been read the second time and referred to a committee, reported with amendments, concurred in at report stage and read the third time and passed.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Assadourian (Brampton Centre), seconded by Mr. Finlay (Oxford), Bill C-224, An Act to establish by the beginning of the twenty-first century an exhibit in the Canadian Museum of Civilization to recognize the crimes against humanity as defined by the United Nations that have been perpetrated during the twentieth century, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Assadourian (Brampton Centre), seconded by Ms. Augustine (Etobicoke -- Lakeshore), Bill C-225, An Act to amend the Tobacco Act (substances contained in a tobacco product), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Earle (Halifax West), seconded by Mr. Godin (Acadie -- Bathurst), Bill C-226, Parliamentarians' Code of Conduct, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Sekora (Port Moody -- Coquitlam -- Port Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), Bill C-227, An Act to establish a National Organ Donor Registry and to coordinate and promote organ donation throughout Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Morrison (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), Bill C-228, An Act to amend the Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board Act and the Canada Labour Code as a consequence, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Redman (Kitchener Centre), seconded by Ms. Brown (Oakville), Bill C-229, An Act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act (letter that cannot be transmitted by post), was introduced, read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 86.1, the order for second reading of the Bill (previously Bill C-409, 1st Session, 36th Parliament) was added to the bottom of the list of items in the order of precedence on the Order Paper and designated a votable item.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park), seconded by Ms. Carroll (Barrie- -Simcoe -- Bradford), Bill C-230, An Act respecting a National Epidermolysis Bullosa Awareness Week, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Stoffer (Sackville -- Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), seconded by Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), Bill C-231, An Act to prevent the use of the Internet to distribute pornographic material involving children, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Stoffer (Sackville -- Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), seconded by Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), Bill C-232, An Act to provide for a Hepatitis Awareness Month, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Stoffer (Sackville -- Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), seconded by Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), Bill C-233, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (medical expenses), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands), Bill C-234, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (taking samples of bodily substances), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Kent -- Middlesex), Bill C-235, An Act to amend the Divorce Act (marriage counselling required before divorce granted), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Caccia (Davenport), seconded by Ms. Marleau (Sudbury), Bill C-236, An Act to amend the National Parks Act (Stoltmann National Park), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge), Bill C-237, An Act to amend An Act for the Recognition and Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and to amend the Constitution Act, 1867, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Mr. Stoffer (Sackville- -Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), Bill C-238, An Act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act (mail contractors), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Mr. Stoffer (Sackville- -Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), Bill C-239, An Act respecting the protection of whistle blowers and to amend the Auditor General Act, the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act and the Public Service Staff Relations Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Mr. Stoffer (Sackville- -Musquodoboit Valley -- Eastern Shore), Bill C-240, An Act to provide for the establishment of national standards for labour market training, apprenticeship and certification, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), seconded by Mr. Brison (Kings -- Hants), Bill C-241, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act and to amend certain other Acts in consequence thereof, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), seconded by Mr. Brison (Kings -- Hants), Bill C-242, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Order of prohibition), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley), Bill C-243, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (dangerous offender), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley), seconded by Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), Bill C-244, An Act to provide for the taking of samples of blood for the benefit of persons administering and enforcing the law and good Samaritans and to amend the Criminal Code, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning the mistreatment of animals (No. 362-0005) and one concerning the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (No. 362-0006);

-- by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 362-0007);

-- by Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 362-0008) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 362-0009);

-- by Mr. Pickard (Chatham -- Kent Essex), two concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Nos. 362-0010 and 362- 0011);

-- by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge), one concerning nuclear weapons (No. 362-0012);

-- by Mr. Malhi (Bramalea -- Gore -- Malton -- Springdale), one concerning mandatory background checks (No. 362-0013);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning Tibet (No. 362-0014);

-- by Mrs. Redman (Kitchener Centre), one concerning the public pension system (No. 362-0015);

-- by Mr. Bailey (Souris -- Moose Mountain), three concerning Pornography (Nos. 362-0016 to 362-0018);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Kent -- Middlesex), one concerning gasoline additives (No. 362-0019);

-- by Mr. Penson (Peace River), one concerning aboriginal affairs (No. 362-0020) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 362- 0021).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Limoges (Windsor -- St. Clair), seconded by Ms. Folco (Laval West);

And of the amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley).

The debate continued.

At 6:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 50(6), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the sub-amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 3)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Cardin -- Casey -- Casson -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Loubier -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Price -- Ramsay -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Venne -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- 93

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 157

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Canuel -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Lalonde -- Manley -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Normand -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis)

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 4)
YEAS:93, NAYS: 157. (See list under Division No. 3)

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Report of the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development Act, R.S. 1985, c. 54, (4th Supp.), sbs. 31(3). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-593-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) -- Report of the Public Service Commission of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Public Service Employment Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-33, sbs. 47(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362- 216-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) -- Report of the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council Act, R. S. 1985, c. N-21, s. 18. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-500-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)

-- by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) -- Report of the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council Act, R.S. 1985, c. S-12, sbs. 20(2).

-- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-36-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)

-- by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) -- Reports of the National Research Council for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-362-639-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Report of the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Financial Institutions and Deposit Insurance System Amendment Act, R.S. 1985, c. 18 (3rd Supp.), s. 25. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-535-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

-- by Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) -- Report of the Canadian Polar Commission, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Canadian Polar Commission Act, S.C. 1991, c. 6, s. 21(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-498-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development)

-- by Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) -- Report of the Northern Oil and Gas for the year ended December 31, 1998, pursuant to the Canada Petroleum Resources Act, R. S. 1985, c. 36 (2nd Supp.), s. 109. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-455-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations)

-- by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade) -- Report of the Export Development Corporation for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-362-702-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:35 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).