HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37^TH PARLIAMENT, 1^st SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 085

Tuesday, September 25, 2001

10:00 a.m.

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PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, -- Report of the Commissioner of Official Languages for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Official Languages Act, R. S. 1985, c. 31 (4th supp.), s. 66. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-301-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 108(4)(b), permanently referred to the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages)

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), seconded by Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar), Bill C-396, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (dangerous child sexual predators), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

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Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Perron (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles), seconded by Mr. Lanctôt (Châteauguay), Bill C-397, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (support payments), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 371-0374);

-- by Mr. Elley (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), one concerning health care services (No. 371-0375).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), seconded by Mr. Lanctôt (Châteauguay), moved, -- That this House urge the government, in any reprisals taken in reaction to the terrorist strikes in New York on September 11, not to commit Canadian armed forces in any offensive action until the House of Commons has been consulted and has voted on the matter.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by adding after the word ``action'' the following:

``nor any financial resources''.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), seconded by Mr. Lanctôt (Châteauguay), in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 61, NAYS 195

(Division No. 141 -- Vote N^o 141)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 141)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Bourgeois -- Brien -- Brison -- Cardin -- Casey -- Clark -- Comartin -- Crête -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Elley -- Fournier -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Hearn -- Herron -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Laframboise -- Lanctôt -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lunn --  (Saanich -- Gulf Islands) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nystrom -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Robinson -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- St-Hilaire -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis) -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 61

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bagnell -- Bailey -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Binet -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carignan -- Casson -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chatters -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cotler -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Cuzner -- Day -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Fitzpatrick -- Folco -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallant -- Gallaway -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Grewal -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harris -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- LeBlanc -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marcil -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Toronto -- Danforth) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Moore -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Obhrai -- Owen -- Pagtakhan -- Pallister -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peschisolido -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Price -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Regan -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Saada -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Schmidt -- Scott -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Skelton -- Sorenson -- Speller -- Spencer -- St. Denis -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Stinson -- Szabo -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tirabassi -- Toews -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- Yelich -- 195

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Allard -- Asselin -- Carroll -- Copps -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Duplain -- Eggleton -- Fontana -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Girard-Bujold -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Paquette -- Rocheleau

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 62, NAYS 196

(Division No. 142 -- Vote N^o 142)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 142)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Bourgeois -- Brien -- Brison -- Cardin -- Casey -- Clark -- Comartin -- Crête -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Elley -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Hearn -- Herron -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Laframboise -- Lanctôt -- Lebel -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lunn --  (Saanich -- Gulf Islands) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nystrom -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Robinson -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- St-Hilaire -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis) -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 62

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bagnell -- Bailey -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Binet -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carignan -- Casson -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chatters -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cotler -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Cuzner -- Day -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Fitzpatrick -- Folco -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallant -- Gallaway -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Grewal -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harris -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- LeBlanc -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marcil -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Toronto -- Danforth) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Moore -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Obhrai -- Owen -- Pagtakhan -- Pallister -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peschisolido -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Price -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Regan -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Saada -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Schmidt -- Scott -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Skelton -- Sorenson -- Speller -- Spencer -- St. Denis -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Stinson -- Szabo -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tirabassi -- Toews -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- Yelich -- 196

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Allard -- Asselin -- Carroll -- Copps -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Duplain -- Eggleton -- Fontana -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Girard-Bujold -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Paquette -- Rocheleau

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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of National Revenue), seconded by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade), -- That Bill S-23, An Act to amend the Customs Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Jaffer (Edmonton -- Strathcona), seconded by Mr. Rajotte (Edmonton Southwest), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ''That'' and substituting the following:

``this House declines to give second reading to Bill S-23, An Act to amend the Customs Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, since the principle of the Bill fails to specifically and adequately address national security at Canada's borders with respect to terrorist activities.''.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 70, NAYS 188

(Division No. 143 -- Vote N^o 143)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 143)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz -- Brison -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Clark -- Cummins -- Day -- Doyle -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Fitzpatrick -- Forseth -- Gallant -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Harris -- Hearn -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Lunn --  (Saanich -- Gulf Islands) -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Moore -- Obhrai -- Pallister -- Peschisolido -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Skelton -- Sorenson -- Spencer -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Toews -- Vellacott -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Yelich -- 70

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bagnell -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Binet -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bourgeois -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Cardin -- Carignan -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Collenette -- Comartin -- Comuzzi -- Cotler -- Crête -- Cullen -- Cuzner -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Drouin -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eyking -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laframboise -- Laliberte -- Lanctôt -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- LeBlanc -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marcil -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McTeague -- Ménard -- Mills --  (Toronto -- Danforth) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Roy -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Scott -- Serré -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Szabo -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tonks -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 188

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Allard -- Asselin -- Carroll -- Copps -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Duplain -- Eggleton -- Fontana -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Girard-Bujold -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Paquette -- Rocheleau

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:54 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights of Bill C-289, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act (public safety).

Mr. Sorenson (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Cadman (Surrey North), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Tobin (Minister of Industry) -- Report of the Standards Council of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-122-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

-- by Mr. Tobin (Minister of Industry) -- Report of the Business Development Bank of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-152-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:40 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).