HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37^TH PARLIAMENT, 1^st SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 095

Tuesday, October 16, 2001

10:00 a.m.

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PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Orders in Council concerning certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

-- P.C. 2001-1616, P.C. 2001-1618 and P.C. 2001-1681. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-1-08. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- P.C. 2001-1612 and P.C. 2001-1613. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-3-11. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- P.C. 2001-1678. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-14-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

-- P.C. 2001-1687 and P.C. 2001-1688. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-7-03. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

-- P.C. 2001-1680. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-10-07. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

-- P.C. 2001-1617, P.C. 2001-1683, P.C. 2001-1684, P.C. 2001-1685, P.C. 2001-1686 and P.C. 2001-1718. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-8-12. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- P.C. 2001-1619, P.C. 2001-1620, P.C. 2001-1621, P.C. 2001-1622, P.C. 2001-1623, P.C. 2001-1624, P.C. 2001-1629, P.C. 2001-1689, P.C. 2001-1690, P.C. 2001-1691, P.C. 2001-1692, P.C. 2001-1693, P.C. 2001-1694, P.C. 2001-1720 and P.C. 2001-1721. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-16-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

-- P.C. 2001-1630, P.C. 2001-1631, P.C. 2001-1632, P.C. 2001-1704, P.C. 2001-1705, P.C. 2001-1706, P.C. 2001-1707, P.C. 2001-1727, P.C. 2001-1728 and P.C. 2001-1729. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-22-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

-- P.C. 2001-1682, P.C. 2001-1717 and P.C. 2001-1822. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-13-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- P.C. 2001-1610. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-5-07. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

-- P.C. 2001-1611, P.C. 2001-1615, P.C. 2001-1676 and P.C. 2001-1679. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-24-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mrs. Barnes (London West) presented the Report of the Canadian Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) concerning its participation at the 40th Canadian Regional Conference, held in Edmonton, Alberta, from July 16 to 22, 2001. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-371-53-06.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mrs. Barnes (London West) presented the Report of the Canadian Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) concerning its participation at the 47th Commonwealth Parliamentary Conference, held in Australia from September 4 to 14, 2001. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-371-53-07.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead), one concerning sex offenders (No. 371-0401);

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), two concerning Canada's railways (Nos. 371-0402 and 371-0403).

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That at the conclusion of the debate later this day on the motion for second reading of Bill C-287, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act (genetically modified food), all questions necessary to dispose of the motion be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights of Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Official Secrets Act, the Canada Evidence Act, the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act and other Acts, and to enact measures respecting the registration of charities in order to combat terrorism.

Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Debate arose thereon.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, no proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38 be taken up this day and the House continue to sit after the ordinary hour of daily adjournment to consider Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Official Secrets Act, the Canada Evidence Act, the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act and other Acts, and to enact measures respecting the registration of charities in order to combat terrorism, provided that, during the consideration thereof, the Chair shall not receive any requests for unanimous consent and, when no Member rises to speak, or at 10:00 p.m., whichever is earlier, the debate shall be adjourned and the House shall immediately adjourn to the next sitting day.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)), -- That Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Official Secrets Act, the Canada Evidence Act, the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act and other Acts, and to enact measures respecting the registration of charities in order to combat terrorism, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the name of Mr. Gray (Windsor West) be added to the ``YEAS'' under Division No. 148 of Monday, October 15, 2001, relating to the Business of Supply.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)), -- That Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Official Secrets Act, the Canada Evidence Act, the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act and other Acts, and to enact measures respecting the registration of charities in order to combat terrorism, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

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Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 4, 2001, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley), seconded by Mr. Hill (Macleod), -- That Bill C-217, An Act to provide for the taking of samples of blood for the benefit of persons administering and enforcing the law and good Samaritans and to amend the Criminal Code, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS 152, NAYS 73

(Division No. 149 -- Vote N^o 149)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 149)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bagnell -- Bailey -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Binet -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz -- Burton -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carignan -- Casey -- Castonguay -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Clark -- Coderre -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cummins -- Cuzner -- Day -- Desjarlais -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Eyking -- Fitzpatrick -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Gagliano -- Gallant -- Godin -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Grose -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harris -- Hearn -- Herron -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- McNally -- McTeague -- Meredith -- Merrifield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Mitchell -- Moore -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Owen -- Pallister -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Peric -- Peschisolido -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Plamondon -- Proulx -- Rajotte -- Regan -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Schmidt -- Scott -- Sgro -- Skelton -- Sorenson -- Speller -- Spencer -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Telegdi -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tobin -- Toews -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Wilfert -- Wood -- Yelich -- 152

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allard -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bergeron -- Bertrand -- Bigras -- Bourgeois -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Caccia -- Cardin -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Duceppe -- Easter -- Farrah -- Finlay -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Karygiannis -- Laframboise -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Leung -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Ménard -- Myers -- Neville -- Normand -- Paquette -- Patry -- Perron -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Price -- Redman -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- Shepherd -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- Szabo -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Whelan -- 73

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Asselin -- Bennett -- Bevilacqua -- Bradshaw -- Dubé -- Gauthier -- Goodale -- Maloney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Neigette-et-la Mitis)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

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Pursuant to Order made Friday, October 5, 2001, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), seconded by Mr. Cardin (Sherbrooke), -- That Bill C-209, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (Public Transportation Costs), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS 123, NAYS 104

(Division No. 150 -- Vote N^o 150)
YEAS -- POUR

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(Division--Vote N^o 150)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson --  (Victoria) -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Bourgeois -- Breitkreuz -- Brien -- Brown -- Bryden -- Caccia -- Cardin -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Clark -- Copps -- Cotler -- Crête -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Day -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dhaliwal -- Doyle -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Duplain -- Elley -- Epp -- Fitzpatrick -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Gagnon --  (Champlain) -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gallant -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harris -- Hearn -- Herron -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Ianno -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kraft Sloan -- Laframboise -- Lalonde -- Lanctôt -- Lastewka -- Lebel -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Loubier -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Mark -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McNally -- McTeague -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- Paquette -- Parrish -- Perron -- Peschisolido -- Plamondon -- Price -- Proctor -- Proulx -- Redman -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Roy -- Sauvageau -- Savoy -- Scherrer -- Schmidt -- Sgro -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Telegdi -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tobin -- Toews -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean -- Saguenay) -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Wood -- Yelich -- 123

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Allard -- Anderson --  (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands) -- Augustine -- Bagnell -- Bailey -- Bakopanos -- Bélair -- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Binet -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Burton -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carignan -- Castonguay -- Chamberlain -- Coderre -- Cuzner -- DeVillers -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eyking -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grose -- Hanger -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hilstrom -- Hinton -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Karetak-Lindell -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Lavigne -- LeBlanc -- Lee -- Leung -- Longfield -- Lunney --  (Nanaimo -- Alberni) -- MacAulay -- Macklin -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Matthews -- McCallum -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan -- Merrifield -- Mitchell -- Moore -- Myers -- Nault -- Neville -- Normand -- O'Reilly -- Pallister -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Provenzano -- Rajotte -- Reed --  (Halton) -- Regan -- Reid --  (Lanark -- Carleton) -- Robillard -- Scott -- Shepherd -- Skelton -- Sorenson -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart -- Szabo -- Thibault --  (West Nova) -- Thibeault --  (Saint-Lambert) -- Tirabassi -- Tonks -- Ur -- Valeri -- Wappel -- Whelan -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 104

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Asselin -- Bennett -- Bevilacqua -- Bradshaw -- Dubé -- Gauthier -- Goodale -- Maloney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Neigette-et-la Mitis)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:24 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Caccia (Davenport), seconded by Mr. Dromisky (Thunder Bay -- Atikokan), -- That Bill C-287, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act (genetically modified food), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Order made earlier this day, the question was deemed put on the motion and a recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

At 7:17 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier this day, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)), -- That Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Official Secrets Act, the Canada Evidence Act, the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act and other Acts, and to enact measures respecting the registration of charities in order to combat terrorism, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) -- Report of the Federal Bridge Corporation Limited, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs 150(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-2-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

-- by Mr. Gray (Deputy Prime Minister) -- Reports of the Millennium Bureau of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-709-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Copy of Order in Council P.C. 2001-0254, dated February 22, 2001, concerning the Regulations amending the United Nations Afghanistan Regulations, pursuant to the United Nations Act, R.S. 1985, c. U-2, sbs. 4(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-305-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Copy of Order in Council P.C. 2001-1716, dated October 2, 2001, concerning the United Nations Suppression of Terrorism Regulations, pursuant to the United Nations Act, R.S. 1985, c. U-2, sbs. 4(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-592-04. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Report on the implementation of the Convention on combating bribery of foreign public officials in international business transactions, and the enforcement of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act, pursuant to the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act, S.C. 1998, c. 34, s. 12. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-736-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- by Mr. Tobin (Minister of Industry) -- Report of the National Research Council of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the National Research Council Act, R.S. 1985, c. N-15, s. 17. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-192-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

-- by Mr. Tobin (Minister of Industry) -- Report of the Cape Breton Growth Fund Corporation, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-778-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

ADJOURNMENT

At 10:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier this day, the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).