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I call this meeting to order.
Welcome to meeting number 100 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs. We recognize that we meet on the unceded territory of the Algonquin and Anishinabe peoples.
Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format.
Welcome, Ms. Ashton. Everybody else is here in person. Ms. Ashton, you've done lots of Zoom. You know how to run everything, so I'll just get right into it.
We have a bit of housekeeping.
The leader of the government in the House announced that Thursday, March 21, 2024, will be the final allotted day in the current period, which means that all the votes in the supplementary estimates (C), 2023-24, will be deemed reported to the House as of the ordinary hour of daily adjournment on Monday, March 18, 2024.
Did everybody get that?
As such, any committees studying the supplementary estimates (C) after Monday, March 18, 2024, will not do so under the order of reference from the House. This study and subsequent report, if desired by the committee, will have to be done under Standing Order 108. Please note that in this case, the committee will not adopt the votes.
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 26, 2024, the committee is meeting to discuss the subject matter of the supplementary estimates (C). We won't be reporting back to the House. It's subject matter only. That's what this tells us.
With that, I'd like to welcome our witnesses at the table today, starting with the Honourable Patty Hajdu, Minister of Indigenous Services. Welcome, Minister.
From the department, we have many officials. Thank you for being here.
We have Gina Wilson, deputy minister; Candice St-Aubin, senior assistant deputy minister; Paula Hadden-Jokiel, assistant deputy minister; Nathalie Nepton, acting assistant deputy minister, education and social development programs and partnerships; Nelson Barbosa, director general, regional operations; Katrina Peddle, director general, Act respecting First Nations, Inuit and Métis children, youth and families branch; Jessica Sultan, director general, economic and business opportunities, lands and economic development; Jonathan Allen, acting director general, education and social development programs and partnerships; and Philippe Thompson, chief of finances and results and delivery officer.
Welcome, everyone.
I'm going to use a little card system here. The yellow card means 30 seconds are left. The red card means that time is up. Don't stop mid-sentence, but wind up your thoughts, and we'll continue on with the next speaker.
With that, Minister, I assume that you're going to make the opening statement for five minutes. When you're ready, the floor is yours.
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Thanks to the officials for taking time away from their busy jobs to be with me today. I thought it would be good to have the team with us so that they can answer to the level of detail that I think this committee deserves.
It's truly a joy to be with you here on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.
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I'd like to turn to the progress that our Liberal government has made towards reconciliation over the past eight years.
Prior to our government's election in 2015, the Conservatives had cut funding and refused to meet with indigenous chiefs.
Under Justin Trudeau, our government has made reconciliation a priority these past eight years.
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That begins with water.
As you know, the previous Conservative government ignored the needs of first nations communities for clean water, and as a result, when we were elected, 105 long-term boil water advisories were in place. However, today, after working with communities and increasing investments by over 150%, the vast majority of first nations have clean drinking water they can trust.
We still have 4% of communities who live with a long-term advisory, but there is a plan under way for each of them, and Canadians can follow along online in terms of the status of the advisories for those communities.
As we know, we do need to be focused on sustained, equitable support for water systems, because if we don't have ongoing investments, not just in the equipment that serves first nations people but in the training for the maintenance, all of that progress could vanish. Reconciliation is not a destination but a journey, and it requires a long-term commitment, regardless of which party is leading the country.
That's why Bill , the first nations clean water act, is so important to partners. This piece of legislation was developed through historic participation with first nations, and it restores the rights of first nations to manage their own water systems.
For the very first time in our history, it holds the federal government accountable for equitable funding for water systems in first nations. In fact, it installs an ability for first nations to work with the Government of Canada to determine levels of funding that will ensure clean water for generations to come.
The AFN is calling on Parliament to pass that bill, because as Chief Erica Beaudin of Cowessess First Nation said, “indigenous people, indigenous children deserve to be conceived, born and die [with] clean water [access]”.
It was therefore distressing for partners who were in the audience that day to see, on the first day of debate, a Conservative member of Parliament choose instead to repeat very tired stereotypes, ignoring the discriminatory funding as a cause of that lack of water. Many first nations people were deeply hurt by those comments, and many are still waiting for a sincere apology.
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Indigenous peoples are also leading change in the housing sector. I recently celebrated the construction of new homes in the Liard First Nation with Chief Charlie. He told me that housing was essential to people's health and well-being. You know as well as I do that we still have a long way to go.
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The report from the Auditor General yesterday shows that decades of colonialism and underinvestment have had significant and deep impacts on indigenous communities, and it's why our Liberal government has increased spending on housing for indigenous people by over 1,100%.
For the first time in recent history, the proportion of people living in overcrowded homes has stabilized and is starting to decrease. It's a huge contrast to the approach of the previous government, which resulted in only 99 houses built in first nations for a cost of $300 million.
In contrast, since 2015, over 34,000 homes have been built or renovated in first nations, with 22,000 already completed. This is fundamental because, as all of you know, better housing means that more people can reach their true potential.
Mr. Chair, I've said it already: Reconciliation is not a destination; it's a relationship, and respect is at the foundation of every good relationship. We must work directly with communities to address their needs, tackle the systemic issues they are facing and transfer the service delivery back under their control.
I know that this is an uncomfortable approach for those who are more comfortable with the paternalism of the past, but paternalism has not resulted in healthy communities and people. This government is working to live up to the promise of a Canada where everyone can truly reach their full potential, and we can only do that in partnership with indigenous peoples.
Meegwetch.Qujannamiik.Marsii. Thank you.
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Welcome to committee, Patty.
I want to ask you for an update on where the $2 billion that our government had committed for indigenous health will be going.
I think the last time we spoke, you quite rightly said you were waiting to hear from indigenous communities themselves as to where they'd like to see the money go.
I'm going to give you a prolonged period to respond to this question, but let me just talk about a few of the things I've heard from the indigenous community within my riding.
Certainly one of the suggestions from Fort William First Nation was about the possibility of funding their chronic care home. As I think you know, both Chief Solomon and Chief Collins have really made that a priority in health care.
The second thing I wanted to ask about was funding for land-based treatment for both addictions and mental health. Again, several different indigenous communities in my riding have asked me about that. They're looking for funding for that.
Lastly, I'll ask about any funding for indigenous people who live off reserve. As you know, a lot of indigenous people spend part of their time on reserve and part of their time off reserve. Thunder Bay has a large indigenous population.
I wonder if you could answer the question overall, but also in response to those three specific areas.
You're welcome to ask any of your many able assistants.
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Thank you, and I will, for some of the details.
Let me just start with the $2-billion health equity fund. I'm really glad you raised this point.
This is an innovative new support for first nations across the country—indigenous people, quite frankly—who have oftentimes faced extreme racism in health care systems in provincial and territorial systems.
In fact, it arises from the sad case of Joyce Echaquan, who, as you know, died filming her own abuse. That led to the indigenous health care summit, which was held during the pandemic, where we heard from health experts, indigenous health experts and individuals about what we could do together to better help with the experiences that indigenous people face in health care every day.
It's ongoing, by the way. I don't want to leave the impression that Joyce was an isolated incident. These kinds of things are happening every day in every health care system, either intentionally or oftentimes through systemic design that just doesn't meet people's needs. Quite frankly, these systems have been designed in ways that exclude the realities of indigenous people.
The committed to this $2-billion health equity fund to help indigenous groups, leaders and communities that have innovative ideas about how to bridge that gap between health care provision in provinces and territories and the expectations that they have in terms of better health outcomes. It complements the work that is doing on renewing those health care transfers.
By the way, I've been at all of those meetings with provinces and territories with indigenous partners to talk about our expectation that we eliminate racism in health care.
I will turn to Candice to talk about how that money's being divided and about some of the innovation that you're hearing for how people will use that money.
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Thank you for the question.
The indigenous health equity fund will be flowing out to communities regionally on April 1.
We are currently engaging in how that will be implemented. As you are aware, this will provide 10-year funding sustainability and will maximize innovation. Certainly we're encouraging communities to look at what their needs are and to invest in that.
With the 10 years, they're able to move that money around to target different initiatives, including land-based treatment, as you were talking about. It's certainly looking at how best to address substance and opioid realities that we're seeing in communities, and it's also working with provinces to try to leverage the funding that's currently going into the health transfers to maximize those.
It could be much more clinical care and also around virtual hubs, supporting e-health and in particular mental health e-health, to maybe alleviate some of the medical transportation that's required in more northern and remote communities.
We do see a lot of innovation happening at the community level, which they're driving. This is allowing them greater flexibility to plan that care and maybe amplify those aspects.
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To be clear, it's not an application base. I was really personally insistent on that, as the minister.
An application base usually gives preferences to communities that have good grant writers and the ability to apply for grants. In fact, the Auditor General spoke about this in relation to access to housing money. We're trying to think through how we ensure that people get the money, regardless of their capacity to write a grant, quite frankly.
This money will be sent out on April 1, as my colleague said, to regional governance, local governance—people who are actually delivering health care or working with partners to deliver health care. After that is sent out, we can certainly send a list.
I would just conclude by saying, Marcus, that it is really designed in a flexible way so that first nations can use it in whatever way they want. I have seen some really interesting things that are about bridging the gap between western and indigenous medicine.
In Manitoba, for example, we've funded, in previous types of program funding, health ombudsmen, so that actually if an indigenous person is not getting the care they need in downtown Winnipeg—this might interest you, MP Carr, because it's in your neck of the woods—the health ombudsman, through the Manitoba chiefs council, is able to take those concerns from the individual and then act as an advocate for that individual within the Manitoba health care system. It's something I'm hoping that we'll be able to work more closely on with that province, with the election of its first first nations premier.
Thank you for being here, Minister.
Housing is one area that the supplementary estimates do not address, despite the dire housing needs. Meeting those needs would require an investment of $8 billion in Quebec and an investment of $34 billion in Canada.
In an effort to see the glass as half full, I want to recognize the hard work and contribution of first nations and Inuit communities, especially in Quebec. Quebec is the province doing the best job, having prioritized capacity building in indigenous communities. I asked the Auditor General about it. She wasn't very familiar with the ecosystem in Quebec, but she did note that Quebec was making more progress than other provinces.
Indigenous financial institutions that belong to the National Aboriginal Capital Corporations Association, or NACCA—one being the Native Commercial Credit Corporation, in Wendake—are important because their contribution to capacity building is essential. These institutions submitted a request for better long-term funding as part of the pre-budget consultation process. Their contribution agreements are expiring on March 31, 2024, so very soon. One of the things they are asking for is $150 million so they can issue new housing loans.
Indigenous communities are worried because the government hasn't announced any such funding, and they need predictability. The Yänonhchia’ initiative is a social innovator designed by and for indigenous peoples to strengthen the housing network and indigenous-led financing.
Will you commit to pressing your colleague, the , to act on the funding requests of indigenous financial institutions?
Thank you for recognizing the contribution of Chief Haymond, chief of the Kebaowek First Nation, which is in my riding, in Témiscamingue. Obviously, these issues are not limited by boundary lines, so I think it's important to show trust given the situation.
Building on their desire to take control of the housing situation, first nations in Quebec have developed innovative tools, including the indigenous finance network Yänonhchia’, which means “home” in Huron-Wendat. The term stresses the organic connection between family space, community life and territory. It suggests personal responsibility for shelter, communal responsibility to ensure that no one is left behind, and sustainable use of land and resources. This network was developed in and supported by Quebec.
I appreciate your answer, but the outcome is clearly what matters in a situation like this.
Switching topics, I'd like to know whether you've had a chance to see the Auditor General's comments and criticism regarding the department's rather passive response. According to her, the department's approach is completely outdated.
What do you say to the Auditor General? Will you be announcing an overhaul of Indigenous Service Canada's practices and policies in light of her findings?
One, from what I see every single day, I would say that I'm not sure that saying it's a passive response as a department is accurate. I would say that the department works with the physical resources it has. In fact, it's been very ambitious about getting any extra dollars out the door. Oftentimes, when dollars are about to lapse for housing because projects haven't been built or are not under way, the department will come to me and ask to reprioritize that money to communities that can use that money. We're very cautious and careful to not let any money lapse, because we need that money because there is such a great need across the country. I haven't seen that in housing at all.
I think you're talking about the part of the Auditor General's report that talks about vulnerable communities and how far away sometimes vulnerable communities are from being able to access housing. In that case, we have a number of different first nations-led agencies that will help communities to gain the governance and fiscal skills that they need to be able to move forward more quickly. I know that the department works with those communities as well and can provide a lot of support to those communities and certainly connect them to these indigenous-led institutions so that they have greater capacity.
I will say, before anyone says that this is in any way undermining the skills and talent of indigenous peoples, that communities are often under a huge degree of stress. Most chiefs I know are not just elected officials like us; they are also responding to—
Madam Minister, over the next two years, Indigenous Services Canada plans on sunsetting funding streams and cutting spending on programs like Jordan's principle, programs that deal with the harmful legacy of residential schools and support for mental health.
Indigenous Services Canada plans on half a billion dollars of cuts in the next four years. While the department has reassured indigenous communities and leaders that these massive cuts won't affect services, we have never seen in our history, and certainly not in recent history, a proposed cut and the sunsetting of this much money.
We know that the elimination of these critical programs will be devastating for communities that already rely on them, and they need all the support they can get. At a time when the need is so great, why is your government choosing to cut funding rather than invest in first nations?
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Okay. I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because the sunsetting of these kinds of investments is not seen as good news for anybody on the ground.
Let's move to housing. If you asked me to describe one of the government's biggest failures when it comes to indigenous communities, it would be on housing. I think the Auditor General's report certainly proves that. We heard yesterday that since the Liberals took over in 2015, there's been “no meaningful improvement” in housing on reserve and that it's highly unlikely that your government will meet its 2030 targets.
I see the housing crisis in community after community here in northern Manitoba. First nations like Shamattawa, Poplar Hill, Garden Hill and Pukatawagan are clear that they face a housing crisis. We heard a number of shocking statements in the report from the Auditor General yesterday. She highlighted that since 2015, ISC has spent less than 7% of what's needed to end the housing gap on reserve.
How do you justify this lack of action of first nations living in overcrowded, mouldy and inhumane conditions?
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Thank you very much for the question.
I'll first say that no one should justify anyone living in those conditions. As I said in my media response yesterday at the press conference, I seriously hope that Canadians have the same fervour for housing as they have had for water. I certainly think that every government—this one and into the future—needs to remain focused on alleviating the ongoing gap for indigenous peoples, including in housing.
I will say, as I said in my response to one of your colleagues here in the room, that the deficit in housing and infrastructure is one of the most frequent things I speak about with first nations chiefs across the country. That is why this government remains committed to closing that gap.
You're right that the 2030 gap is ambitious. We know that the federal government has to work with partners to be able to close that gap. We are certainly making the investments, with an 1,100% increase in the funding of housing since 2015 and the creation of 34,000 homes. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially when you compare it with the previous government's abysmal performance in this space.
I will say that those investments must be sustained. In order to build from where we are now—we're in a space where we're not seeing increased overcrowding but are starting to see communities level off and are starting to have positive feedback from first nations that are controlling and designing their own solutions to ongoing housing challenges—we have to continue to accelerate that gain. We do that by continued investment.
In terms of the Wasagamack airport, you would know, MP Ashton, that I have been working with the on this and have shared with him your advocacy. I want to thank you for that, because you're absolutely right: We have been extremely worried about the state of ice roads this year. It has a massive impact, as you've pointed out, on everything, including the cost of building housing. Infrastructure development in remote communities depends on materials and equipment being shipped up during ice road season. Those seasons are getting shorter and shorter.
We will continue to do whatever it takes to make sure that essential resources are shipped, but I think this calls for a larger conversation amongst multiple departments and provincial and territorial partners. I think we are facing down a very immediate crisis related to climate change.
I'm glad you started with climate change. It is a pleasure to work with a party that acknowledges that climate change is real and is having extraordinary fiscal impacts on first nations, including the inability to get goods and equipment up to communities in a cost-effective way.
Hon. Patty Hajdu: Hi, Mr. Carr.
Mr. Ben Carr: As you know, I spent a lot of time in my career as an educator. During my time as an educator, I had the privilege of working with a lot of indigenous students and their families in the northwest part of the city of Winnipeg, where I come from.
One of the things I noticed—in addition to so many of the challenges indigenous families still face as a result of intergenerational trauma born of residential schools, colonial policies and all the things we're well aware of—is that within the public education system specifically, because of a shortage of educational opportunities, we often see students having to leave their communities to come down to the big cities like Winnipeg, for example, where they are vulnerable. There's a bit of culture shock. There's susceptibility to gang influence. They are away from their families. There are all sorts of different challenges posed as a result of this. A lot of it has to do with provincial government jurisdiction over education, of course.
I was wondering if you could talk to us a bit more about the role of the federal government in supporting indigenous education across the country. Could you talk to us about some of the guidance or suggestions you might be hearing from indigenous leaders, specifically in relation to the education system in our country?
Thank you.
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Thank you very much for a sincere question. This is an area where, I think, our government has a lot to talk about, quite frankly.
Prior to the election of the federal Liberals, we saw discriminatory funding levels for indigenous education across this country, in board after board. What I mean by this is that the dollars spent per child, for lack of a better metric, were far lower in indigenous communities than in a similar provincial system. We fixed that because we know that the education of young people is one of the best things we can do to invest in our country and the success of each person. It has been a hallmark, I think, of our government: to ensure indigenous education systems across this country have funding equitable to what you could expect in provincial systems. We've in fact increased education by 80% since 2016. Again, that's a big number. It defines how big the gap was prior to our election in 2015.
Now, we're not just spending money to improve education systems; we are also building and renovating schools with first nations people, because many of the schools the children were learning in were, quite frankly, abysmal and left to rot by successive governments that didn't make those kinds of investments.
I've had an opportunity to visit schools. You can see bright, happy children and very content teachers in those facilities. They are teaching in ways that are going to help those young people reach their education potential.
The final thing I'll say is that we have been pursuing what we're calling, and what are called, “regional education agreements”, which restore indigenous sovereignty over how education is delivered in communities. In fact, in Quebec there was an amazing opportunity for me to be at the signing of one of these regional education agreements. The young people, educators, students and families were celebrating their ability to design their own curriculum in order to incorporate language, culture, tradition and healing into that curriculum. This will allow their children to have a fair shot at success, just like every other child in that province.
We have, since then, signed four regional education agreements, I think. We have a number under way. We are transforming education in this country, together with first nations, which are leading the way.
I agree with you in terms of the quality of the relationship the federal government is enjoying with the new provincial government in Manitoba. There is an alignment of values and specifically an alignment of beliefs on achieving more progress on the road to truth and reconciliation.
I look forward to a continued conversation with you about some of the ways we can work together with the province to address such things as the teacher shortages that we're seeing on reserve communities in the north as well to address curriculum, which you spoke about. I'm very pleased to hear you substantiate some of the progress I know is being made, but there are all sorts of things we have to look at in terms of colonial practices that still exist for students in the public education system. Again, I understand it's a provincial jurisdiction, but in many instances, these are kids who come from first nation reserves end up in the provincial system, so the partnership between the federal government and the provincial government and local school boards is really critical to ensuring that we offer them the support they need.
I thank you for your ongoing work in this regard and I look forward to our continued work together.
Minister, you said in August 2023 that your department wouldn't cut spending and that services for first nations, Métis and Inuit would not be impacted. Nevertheless, Indigenous Services Canada's 2024-25 departmental plan clearly shows that service delivery will be greatly impacted by budget cuts or similar reductions.
The department is planning to spend about $20.7 billion on indigenous well-being and self-determination, in other words, all indigenous service areas, in 2024‑25 and about $16.3 billion in 2025‑26. That's a year-to-year reduction of 21.04% in expenditures directly related to service delivery. Spending on internal services will go from $282 million in 2024‑25 to $265 million in 2025‑26, a drop of some 6.2%.
The 2024‑25 departmental plan, specifically the message from you, the minister, at the beginning of the report, says that you want to close the infrastructure gap by 2030. That includes the education facility gap. However, the 2024‑25 departmental plan includes just under $146 million for education facilities, which is 10 times less than the estimated $12.6 billion needed to close the current gap. Just $3.9 million is going towards major renovations or construction of education facilities for first nations in Quebec.
Can you defend these spending cuts to essential services for first nations, Métis and Inuit communities? Eight months ago, you said reductions like these would not be made. How, then, do you explain the reductions in the department's forecast spending?
I'd like to get to the issue of nursing shortages.
We know that out of the 223 nurses that ISC says it needs, 43 positions are unfilled. On top of that, more than half of the nurse positions that are filled are filled by contract agencies that are providing only emergency care, rather than the primary care that first nations deserve and desperately need.
It's so bad that communities are posting notices about the lack of nurses in their communities. When I was in Wasagamack First Nation on February 20, in front of the store there was a notice that said, “The nursing station is closed due to nurse shortages starting the week of January 29 until further notice.”
Pimicikamak Cree Nation recently declared a state of emergency. Even though they're supposed to have 13 nurses, they had far fewer than that—four—and when they declared the state of emergency, they were committed another four, for eight, but still short of the 13 they deserve, given how large the first nation is and how large the community is.
We know that nurses have been clear about the stress and the burnout they face, and we know that communities are not getting the health care they deserve. In fact, I've joined with first nation leaders who have been very clear that this has had a devastating impact, including in cases of premature death.
This is an urgent situation. What is ISC doing to help first nations like Pimicikamak, like Wasagamack and like Little Grand Rapids, which either have declared states of emergency or have put forward these urgent notices? What is ISC doing to work with them to lift these states of emergency and ensure that there are enough nurses to serve first nations?
I would say that this is a crisis that's affecting Canada. In fact, nursing shortages are profound in pretty much every community across this country and even more profound in remote communities. That's why Indigenous Services Canada has been so focused on what we can do to recruit, retain and train nurses to choose to work in the north, to stay in the north, and to build that internal capacity of communities by ensuring that more indigenous people choose health care as a pathway for their own personal careers.
We have used things like retention strategies and we have increased investments to ensure competitive pay and signing bonuses. We have thrown pretty much everything at the wall to get nurses in place, and I will tell you that there's nothing more stressful for a community, as you pointed out, but certainly for my officials, because I see those messages that come through at two o'clock, three o'clock, five o'clock in the morning from communities where officials are working with communities like the ones you mentioned, just as in many northern and remote communities, to address these nursing shortages.
We're going to keep at it, obviously, and whatever it requires, we will be there to try to ensure that communities have the complement of nurses they need. Furthermore, we are investing in those kinds of innovations that communities are talking about to have greater capacity, with the $2-billion health equity fund, with the health transfers and with willing provinces and territories that are interested in partnering with first nations—
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I'm sorry. We're out of time on this one.
Colleagues, there are just over three minutes until the vote. We could suspend now or start Mr. Melillo's five minutes, if you're okay with being interrupted, Mr. Melillo.
I'll suspend the meeting while we vote. Once everybody has confirmed that they've voted, we'll resume and finish off the time that we have with the minister.
We started at 5:11. We'll try to wrap up as close to 6:11as we can, less the suspension.
Mr. Melillo, would you like to start? When you're ready, the floor is yours for five minutes.
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Okay. Thank you very much.
In this limited time, I'd like to ask you about another Auditor General's report around policing, Minister.
In 2022, the government said they were going to work around the clock to get some legislation on the table to support indigenous policing services. Of course, it's two years later, and there are three policing services in northern Ontario that will soon be without an agreement.
Unfortunately, this is putting the lives of first nations people at risk, as you know, in our region, Minister. It's not just the policing itself, but sometimes ambulance services or other emergency services aren't able to do their jobs because of the lack of policing. Why is it that your government is dragging its feet on this very important issue?
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Thank you very much, MP Battiste, and thank you for being with me when we announced the beginning of the consultation process for the second-generation cut-off.
For members who are unaware of this issue, this is something deeply personal for many indigenous people who, for one reason or another, have lost status, and therefore their children lose status. Those consultations are being designed with indigenous people, so they are of the utmost sensitivity, and there are a lot of opinions. There are people who feel very strongly that we need to move quickly on the second-generation cut-off. I think some communities have other perspectives. They have seen people return to the community and they wonder how they're going to absorb new members, for a whole host of reasons.
Those consultations are going to be very important, I think, in order to hear all sides and come up with a path that keeps people very comfortable with the direction.
You're right. The ongoing gender discrimination in the Indian Act is something we've been working to fix since 2015. Bill is now working its way through the House, as I understand it. We'll have debate, I believe, later this week on Bill C-38. I look forward to all members supporting that legislation and not delaying it, because families are waiting for answers.
Thank you for bringing that up.
On indigenous-led housing, I will note an article recently out of Nova Scotia. Membertou First Nation is building a record number of new homes, but all of its local contractors are too busy for more. I think a very important acknowledgement is that it's not only money that is the limiting factor for building more houses: I spoke about ice roads and the delay and interruption in getting materials to first nations communities. Skilled tradespeople shortages and a number of other things can delay infrastructure development in communities.
Sometimes it can even be related to climate change. If a community is evacuated in the middle of infrastructure season, it can upend the entire season. Communities will lose a season and the progress they've made. It can be very expensive when communities lose that progress because, of course, a half-built housing complex left to the elements means the build, in many cases, can't be salvaged.
I know we have a long way to go, but I will say that under this approach, we are looking at much faster progress.
I want to turn to Nelson to talk about how we supported even quantifying the gap.
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Thanks for the question.
I want to acknowledge two things.
One, success isn't just measured in bricks and mortar. There have been $2.3 billion dollars spent since 2015 in housing specifically, with another $2 billion to follow. Twenty thousand projects are under way or will be completed by 2025.
Two, partnership is also essential. I want to acknowledge and highlight the partnership and co-development with the Assembly of First Nations on the first nations national housing and related infrastructure strategy. This was led by the Assembly of First Nations, but Indigenous Services Canada worked with all first nations in 2022 to quantify the infrastructure gap. The infrastructure gap that was cited by the Auditor General is work that came from first nations. It's important to understand those needs, but it's also important to understand the partnership required to close the gap. The gap is substantial. We're seeing success, but success needs to follow the partnership model this department believes so strongly in.
I want to thank you for your question. I'm pleased to acknowledge the work we have done, but I also want to lift up the success of first nations in supporting infrastructure in their communities.
Thank you.
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I call the meeting back to order.
I now would like to welcome our second panel. For the second hour, we're going to continue our discussion of the subject matter of the supplementary estimates (C) 2023-24.
We have with us ministers , Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations, and the Honourable , Minister of Northern Affairs.
From the Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs, I would like to welcome Valerie Gideon, deputy minister, and Martin Reiher, senior assistant deputy minister, treaties and aboriginal government.
We've spent a lot of time with you over the past while. Welcome back.
We also have with us Garima Dwivedi, assistant deputy minister, resolution and partnerships; Georgina Lloyd, assistant deputy minister, northern affairs; Krista Apse, director general, missing and murdered indigenous women and girls secretariat; and Darlene Bess, chief finances, results and delivery officer.
I apologize if I messed up anybody's name.
We'll go through a couple of rounds of questions and see where we're at, but I believe that first of all we have opening statements from both ministers. I'm not sure who is going first, but whenever you're ready, either Minister or Minister , the floor will be yours for five minutes.
Minister , it looks like you're ready. The floor is yours.
Tansi. Hadlookut. Kwe kwe.
I'm very happy to be here today to discuss and answer your questions on the 2023-24 supplementary estimates for the northern affairs.
The estimates reflect a net increase of $9 million for northern affairs. This increase in funding was used to address urgent capacity requirements for indigenous organizations in the Northwest Territories due to wildfires and to reimburse expenses incurred to support their members during the wildfire emergency.
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Northern and indigenous communities are experiencing some of the worst impacts of climate change. We are working with northern and indigenous partners to mitigate those impacts, while helping communities reduce their reliance on expensive diesel thanks to new community-managed renewable power.
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Indigenous-owned solar and wind projects are leading the way in the clean energy transition, with active support and investment from the federal government. In 2023, the Government of Northwest Territories reported that residents, communities and territorial government saved more than $12 million in energy costs because of clean energy projects like these right across the north.
Partnerships and collaboration are a vital piece to strengthening food security in northern and Arctic communities. Since 2021, we have expanded the Nutrition North program and have implemented 90% of the recommendations from this committee's report, “Food Security in Northern and Isolated Communities”. This is a significant step, and I want to thank all members, past and present, for their work and their continued collaboration on addressing this complex issue.
Engagement with communities and program partners led to the launch of food sovereignty programs like the community food programs and the harvester support grants. Internally, we reallocated an additional $5 million to Nutrition North Canada through supplementary estimates (C) to support these initiatives, which helps to offset costs of food and other essential items, improve access to traditional country foods and support initiatives such as meals for elders and the school food programs.
There is certainly much more work that needs to be done, and I look forward to engaging on a local level with communities and program partners in the upcoming months to find new ways to address food insecurity in the north and strengthen these partnerships.
As a government, we have recognized the significant underfunding by past governments of all stripes when it comes to addressing housing and infrastructure gaps in the north. That's why we're working with northern and indigenous partners to increase access to safe, affordable housing and to build on historic distinctions-based investments that are supporting the housing priorities in the territories and in Inuit Nunangat.
On this note, I'd like to recognize and acknowledge the historic signing of the Nunavut devolution agreement, one of the largest land transfers in Canada's history, which supports Nunavummiut self-determination. We will keep working in partnership to complete the transfer of responsibilities by April 1, 2027.
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The Arctic and Northern Policy Framework helps to ensure that northern lands are sustainably managed. Previous estimates have led to evidence-based decision-making on offshore oil and gas activity in the Arctic, to support responsible and sustainable resource development in the north and the Arctic. This has meant adhering to the strictest environmental safety standards.
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We remain firm and steadfast in defending the Arctic and the people who live there. We are working with northern partners and communities to co-develop security strategies and we are making historic investments to increase our ability to defend the north.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide a summary of how the supplementary estimates will support the important work ahead to deliver on our shared priorities to build a strong, resilient future for the north and the Arctic.
Qujannamiik. Meegwetch. Thank you.
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Kwe kwe.
Ulaakut.
Tansi. Hello.
Bonjour.
Mr. Chair, thank you for the invitation to join you here on the unceded traditional territory of the Anishinabe Algonquin people. I want to note that I'm very glad to be back at this committee and to be able to speak to all of you here.
I'm joined here by the Honourable Dan Vandal, as well as the officials from CIRNAC you introduced earlier, including Valerie Gideon, our deputy minister.
Let me start with a few words about the journey of reconciliation we're on together with indigenous partners; with all of you on this committee, who advance this work each and every day; with Minister Vandal and Minister Hajdu; and with all of our colleagues in Parliament. It's an important journey toward taking a system that was set up to implement the Indian Act, to enforce the residential school system and ultimately to assimilate indigenous peoples and instead making that very system deliver results for indigenous peoples.
This is no easy task. It requires undoing hundreds of years of colonial history.
The year 2015 was a turning point in Crown-indigenous relations. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission handed us a road map to reconciliation through the 94 calls to action, and Canadians elected a government that pledged that its most important relationship was the one it had with indigenous peoples.
In keeping with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the former approach of making decisions on behalf of indigenous peoples has shifted dramatically and irrevocably to an approach centred on supporting the aspirations of indigenous people and communities or, in other words, indigenous self-determination.
Today we're in a new era of indigenous relations that is characterized by spending to resolve historical injustices and recognizing and supporting indigenous governments in advancing their goals, or, in other words, moving from the painful path we've come from and onto the road that lies ahead.
On the road ahead, I see hope. I see hope in the agreements that give indigenous peoples control over what they should always have had control over: their lands and waterways, their governments, their child welfare and education.
In places like the Nisga'a Nation territory, I've seen how modern treaties have the power to deliver real results. I see hope in the form of rights recognition.
Last month, with the Haida Nation, I was honoured to be in the Senate to witness the introduction of Bill , recognizing the Council of the Haida Nation as the holder of their inherent rights of governance and self-determination.
There's a lot of work ahead, and it is clear to me that we cannot do the work without building a relationship based on trust. The road we come from is a bumpy one, and we have to make amends for that.
While I was in British Columbia recently, I visited the Matsqui First Nation. Their reserve lands were severed from them in 1908 by a railway, and they were never compensated.
Chief Alice McKay told me point blank that she does not like the word “reconciliation” because, as she said, there was no relationship to reconcile, but she also said that the settlement gave her hope for our relationship going forward.
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The settlement of claims like these helps to build trust. Of the funding being requested through these estimates, 96% is for settlement agreements to right the wrongs of the past.
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We know there's much work to do. Reconciliation is not a one-time event; it's a multi-generational journey. The calls to action are not something that can be checked off on a list; they require ongoing and sustained commitment and action.
There are real challenges ahead. We have to do more to put an end to the ongoing crisis of the missing and murdered, for example. More needs to be done in joint decision-making, like the Inuit-Crown partnership committee.
I have now said it many times: The road ahead is long. I'm thankful for the people here in this committee who are as committed to the journey as I am. Together, we will make sure that the long road ends in reconciliation.
Meegwetch, qujannamiik, merci and thank you.
I look forward to your questions and comments.
Thank you, ministers, for coming today.
There is an affordability crisis in the Northwest Territories. Here's a bill from Chris, a local resident in Yellowknife. One bill in January was $823.35. There's another bill he also received to top up that tank again in January for another $1128.88. That's a total of $1952.23 for one month, Minister, of which $199 is the carbon tax. That is set to go up on April 1, as you know.
The next person from Yellowknife is a person named Adam. He had to fill up his heating oil tank three times in January: once for $499, once for $1500 and once for $730 for a total of $3203.09. Again, that was just in January. The carbon tax alone was $319.47.
This is from Eric, also from Yellowknife. This is addressed to me: “Sir, in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, I truly thank you for your efforts in the House to enlighten members to the challenges all northerners”—
These are your constituents as well; I live in northern B.C.
—“have in heating our homes and businesses. As you know, there are many regions that simply do not have heating alternatives. Fossil fuels, at least until new technologies offer cost-acceptable alternatives, are the only options we have at the moment. In addition to the add-ons of the carbon tax and the transportation of fuels to northern communities, the tax itself—along with the GST on top of that tax—is driving northern living costs well beyond reasonable financial tolerances, as I just laid out. I know you all know this, but as northerners it's difficult to understand how the current Liberal government is so out of touch with the realities of northern living costs. To suggest heat pumps are the answer, as the Liberals have suggested—fine for parts of eastern Canada, as they work in some parts of Canada—is beyond comprehension.
“Keep up the good work on behalf of all northerners, and Canadians, for that matter.
“Best regards, Eric”
Now we see that the new premier of the Northwest Territories is asking for an exemption because of these high costs to citizens of the Northwest Territories: “'I mean, ideally a complete exemption for the territory is what we would hope for,' said R.J. Simpson, chosen...premier of the Northwest Territories” just a few months ago, as you probably have heard.
As you know, the Northwest Territories previously gave its residents rebates, but your Ottawa-knows-best government stepped in and would no longer allow the Northwest Territories to offer rebates to its citizens.
Deputy Premier Wawzonek said, “When the federal government recently made the changes to exempt home heating oil, that didn’t automatically apply because what they’ve done is they’ve changed the goal post on us.”
When others were granted the temporary carbon tax exemption on home heating oil and other provinces wanted exemptions, your colleague said that there would be “no more exemptions” on his watch. This is from the CBC: “Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said...he will not stand for any further adjustments to Canada's carbon-pricing system”. The article goes on to say, “'As long as I’m the environment minister, there will be no more exemptions to carbon pricing,' Guilbeault told The Canadian Press in an interview.”
My question to you, Minister, is quite simple: Will you support the people of the Northwest Territories and their government and exempt them from the carbon tax, or will you support your colleague in his promise that “As long as I'm the environment minister, there will be no more exemptions to carbon pricing”?
Minister, I'm being a little tongue-in-cheek. It's nice to have you here.
I want to ask a question about Churchill.
The town of Churchill in northern Manitoba, as you know, is critical to our province. I recognize that our colleague Madame Ashton has joined us today. I think she's still with us. She, of course, represents the good people of northern Manitoba.
Minister, Churchill, through its people, its rail line and its port, plays a critical role in the economy, defence and security of our province and country. It certainly plays a critical role in terms of our relationship with indigenous peoples.
Can you tell the committee a little about some of the most recent investments the government has made in the town of Churchill and how you see that as critical to the future of not only Manitoba but also of Canada?
Thank you.
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Absolutely. That's a very important question, not only for Manitoba but for Canada and the Arctic.
First of all, let me back up a bit. After we were elected in 2015, in 2016 the whole railway and port were shut down because the private American owner simply did not put any money into maintenance, so the railway had to shut down when there was flooding in northern Manitoba. Climate change is real. It's especially real in the north.
Through the leadership of your father, we invested hundreds of millions of dollars to reopen the rail line and reopen the port, and we found new owners to operate it. The first nation-owned Arctic Gateway Group, a collective of first nations and mayors from small towns in northern Manitoba, has assumed ownership of the Port of Churchill and the rail line that leads up to the port.
In fact, we were up there about one month ago to announce an investment of another $30 million from the federal government and $30 million from the brand new NDP provincial government. That money will be used to further stabilize the railroad that leads up to the Port of Churchill. There is a new technology they're using—some sort of honeycomb technology that they're building—under the rail lines to make sure that they are stable to not only deliver goods to the port, but also to accept goods from the port.
Through wonderful partnerships with the Province of Manitoba and the Arctic Gateway Group, we invested again in the rail line to finish the rail line stabilization—again, more investment—and I'm proud to say that this summer, they will be accepting minerals from a northern Manitoba mine and delivering them to the Port of Churchill for export. Not only that: They will be accepting a cruise ship for the first time in quite a while in the Port of Churchill, which will revitalize the community and make sure that it will be great for tourism.
We hope that this is the start of many new business endeavours in the Port of Churchill.
Thank you all for being here.
I met recently with an organization called Avataq, which is located in my riding and is dedicated to preserving and documenting Inuit art, culture and archeological artifacts in Nunavik. Their work is really impressive, and the archives contain a tremendous collection of Inuit artifacts.
However, when we're speaking about Canada's north at large, it is an area with obviously unique challenges, which you've touched upon, such as food insecurity and the impacts of climate change. Arctic and northern research plays a vital role in increasing Canada's knowledge of the Arctic, fighting climate change and improving food security in the north.
Minister Vandal, can you give us a sense of the state of the Canadian High Arctic Research Station and tell us a bit about it?
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Yes. That's a great question.
I had the pleasure of visiting the Canadian High Arctic Research Station with the , and NATO chairperson Jens Stoltenberg recently. I can tell you that there's incredible interest in the high Arctic from many people, many countries and NATO, and it was a real eye-opener to see the cutting-edge research they are doing at the Canadian High Arctic Research Station. There are researchers there from all over the world, doing cutting-edge Arctic research.
As we know, climate change is very real. The north is warming at three times the rate of the south, and that's really going to threaten a lot of the traditional ways of life.
This is not to mention the whole issue of microplastic pollution. There were researchers from Europe doing some incredible research on microplastics that are being found in the ice all over the north. That's a real concern.
The climate crisis is an existential crisis for our world, and we need the good northern research that is being done at the High Arctic Research Station.
As minister, Mr. Anandasangaree, you are responsible for relations with indigenous peoples, and that includes the issue of self-determination. As I see it, self-determination has to happen on an economic level as well, if first nations are to be fully empowered. I want to tell you about a young entrepreneur I met last week, Jason Picard‑Binet, and the hard time he's having.
He took over Bastien Industries, which makes the moccasins I am delighted to be wearing right now.
The economic vitality of indigenous communities is a source of pride and, above all, a tool to support communities. Bastien Industries' roots go all the way back to 1878, so the business has stood the test of time. Jason Picard‑Binet took over when he bought the company in 2022. A proud member of the Huron-Wendat Nation, he wants to carry on the work of the Bastien family while adding a modern touch.
Young entrepreneurs need supports. He, for instance, is looking towards new international markets and export growth. The CanExport program, however, does not make exemptions for registered businesses, because indigenous businesses are not corporations.
Are you willing to create a legal exemption to give companies like Bastien Industries better access to markets? The Department of Canadian Heritage makes exemptions like that.
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Thank you for your question.
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There are some incredible businesses being started and run by indigenous people across Canada. Very recently there's been a move, especially by the . I actually spoke to her about this last night. As she goes around the world to promote Canadian businesses, one thing she wants to advance is to have indigenous people as part of her delegation, as businesses that can market their products to the world.
To your specific question, I think we can definitely make the connection. Depending on where the opportunities lie and where the interests may lie, we could definitely connect them to the and her team, and to Global Affairs, to be able to promote the products.
With respect to the specific exemption you're looking for, I'm not familiar with that particular issue, but I will be able to get back to you and we can continue this conversation. There is an obligation, absolutely, to ensure that we support indigenous entrepreneurs to be able to self-determine their future and to be able to build wealth and intergenerational wealth that will enable them to be fully secure financially, and by all other means as well.
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Thank you very much for that answer.
Now I want to turn to the matter of cultural authenticity and cultural appreciation versus cultural appropriation. The United States has a very strict and binding law protecting industries that manufacture products that are typically indigenous. There, Bastien Industries has to prove that its products are 100% indigenous. The company doesn't have that requirement in Canada. I'm talking about the Southwest Indian Foundation certification under the U.S.'s Indian Arts and Crafts Act. Canada doesn't have comparable legislation.
Under the two paragraphs of article 31 of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Canada should have taken such a measure, but nothing is being done right now, not even by the Department of Canadian Heritage. As a result, a subcontracting company has no way of making sure the company's products are genuinely indigenous. This puts indigenous entrepreneurs at a disadvantage because they have to compete with manufacturers of counterfeit goods.
Will you commit to supporting typically indigenous businesses by taking actions to foster cultural appreciation and prevent cultural appropriation?
My first question is for Minister Anandasangaree.
In the fall economic statement, it became clear that this government is moving away from indigenous peoples being this government's most important relationship, as you mentioned. Not only is this government cutting funding at a time of great need; a number of programs are being sunsetted, including those that deal with the harmful and destructive legacy of residential schools. There's currently no plan to fund this program past 2025, and communities are concerned.
Three years ago, Pimicikamak First Nation here in northern Manitoba was clear that they wanted to work with the International Commission on Missing Persons to help them with the searches of the burial grounds of the residential school on their territory. This contract is slated to end this year.
Why has your department failed to work with Pimicikamak and the ICMP? Are you willing to extend the programming available to Cross Lake at this time?
I will point out that the great irony is that Canada is willing to work with organizations like the ICMP in Ukraine and Iraq but unwilling to support first nations who want to work with them here at home. So much for reconciliation.
I'll go back to my question. What is your plan to support Pimicikamak and their desire to work with ICMP, as others have expressed as well, given that this program is being sunsetted?
I want to turn to Minister Vandal on Nutrition North.
In the last fiscal year, the northern affairs department allocated $134 million to Nutrition North. Almost half of that money went to the North West Company, a massive corporation that made $190 million of profit last year. The Nutrition North program is supposed to bring down grocery prices for northerners. Instead, we're seeing it help CEOs.
According to a recent study at U of T Mississauga, only 67¢ of each dollar in grocery subsidies is passed on to consumers. People here in northern Manitoba, in Nunavut and elsewhere are experiencing significant hardship. Nutrition North is not working for them the way it's supposed to, when a family-sized box of cereal costs $17.99 and a litre of olive oil costs $36.59. The list goes on.
Presumably, neither the minister nor anyone else in the government would tolerate paying this price for their own groceries, so why should northerners? What is this government doing to address real food insecurity in the north and also to ensure that Nutrition North funds are not going to line the pockets of companies like the North West Company?
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That's a great question, MP Ashton.
I know food security is incredibly important to the north. I was in Inuvik, Northwest Territories back in 2022 when I announced an extra $163 million of new money for Nutrition North.
I'll get right to the issue that was on APTN about a month ago. Our government is absolutely committed that 100% of the retail subsidy is to be passed on directly to northerners. We are committed to that. We have started an internal review of the program. I've personally had a meeting with the researchers who came up with that analysis, and we will continue to work together. There's an internal review of the program. Once that is done, there will be an external audit of Nutrition North, specifically on the retail subsidy.
I can say that Nutrition North is about more than just the retail subsidy. We also co-developed the harvesters support grant with northern and Indigenous partners. It's helps northern partners go out and hunt, trap and fish for traditional country foods. It's something that's incredibly popular. It's something, as I mentioned, that was co-developed with Inuit and other northern partners. It's a way to get traditional foods back into the diets of northerners.
We've also included a community food program. We're working with schools—
Previously, a member from the NDP asked about food prices in the north. I'm going to be asking you about food prices and specifically how the carbon tax affects food prices in Yukon. I'm going to list some prices here. I will read this out, because it's really shocking, like some of the prices that have already been read out today.
These are stats from Yukon specifically, and these prices in Whitehorse are compared to prices in Alberta and British Columbia. First, for oranges in Alberta, it's $4.09; in British Columbia, it's $4.38; in Whitehorse, it's $6.12. For potatoes in Alberta, it's $6.98; in B.C., it's $7.04; and in Whitehorse, it's $15.85 for potatoes. For bacon in Alberta, it's $7.33 for 500 grams; in British Columbia, it's $7.38; and in Whitehorse, it's $11.17 for the same 500 grams. For one kilogram of pork chops in Alberta, it's $9.46; in British Columbia, it's $9.49; and in Whitehorse, it's $15.26. Finally, for one kilogram of sirloin steak—my last product here—in Alberta, it's $22.66; in British Columbia, it's $24.06; and in Whitehorse, it's $35.16 a kilogram.
This is certainly expensive.
I spoke with Mark today. He has a local grocery store in Dawson City. He lives in Dawson City. He goes in to work every day to try to keep prices low for his customers. I've seen it with my own eyes. He really works to keep those prices down for his neighbours, but he currently pays a 58% fuel surcharge because of the carbon tax on every grocery shipment that comes from Edmonton. That will quickly rise on April 1 to almost 70%, on top of already high food prices.
This week—you might have seen it, Minister—Yukon MLA Wade Istchenko moved a motion in the Yukon legislature to axe the carbon tax for Yukon. He lives in Yukon and sees for himself first-hand the high prices caused by the Liberal carbon tax. I think he sees it himself. It's not like we need to.... I live in northern B.C. I don't live in Yukon and experience that high a price, although we have high prices in northern B.C.
He sees these first-hand and hears from his residents and his constituents about their plight in trying to buy food and keeping food affordable in Yukon.
I'll ask this question, Minister, and I hope you can answer it quickly.
Minister, will you support the people of Yukon and exempt Yukoners from the carbon tax or will you support your colleague, , and his promise that “as long as I'm the environment minister, there will be no more exemptions to carbon pricing”?
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Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to both ministers for joining us here today.
My question is for Minister Vandal.
Last summer was a very challenging time for us in the Northwest Territories. It was the worst wildfire season we've ever seen in our history. It was the worst one on record, for sure. Three of our largest communities were evacuated. In fact, 70% of the territory's population were evacuated. That meant there were huge costs incurred by the government and also by businesses. Many businesses had to close for a fairly long period of time.
I want to ask if you could expand on the supports the federal government has put in place to help the Northwest Territories recover.
I also want to say thank you for making yourself very available over the summer and responding, especially to me, whenever I picked up the phone. That was very much appreciated.
For my second question, we know and we're already hearing that this coming summer may be even worse than last summer. We're experiencing drought conditions already. We had very little snowfall on the southern part of the territories. The Government of Northwest Territories is already predicting a very bad fire season.
Can you talk a little bit about what the government's doing to help the territories recover and what we're doing to try to prepare for this coming fire season?
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Thank you so much for that important question.
Last year I was in Inuvik with the Premier of Yukon and the Premier of Northwest Territories. That was just at the beginning of the wildfires. They had already started, but was just near the beginning. I tell you, the smoke was so thick that we had to get out of Inuvik much earlier than planned. That was just the beginning. Things got significantly worse than that, so I really felt for the people—the older people, the elders, the youth and the people in hospitals who had to be moved.
I thank you for your advocacy and your help. We were on the phone many times—not just me, but many other ministers. Our government stepped up right away to help residents evacuate and then return home. We provided, across Canada, $300 million to help provinces and territories increase firefighting resources, of which $28 million was specifically to support the Northwest Territories' wildfire response.
I did visit some of the folks from Northwest Territories in Edmonton. It was good to touch base with them and talk to them, with the Premier of NWT.
Eventually, when they opened up, CanNor was there with a significant amount of funding for businesses to open up again and to recoup some of their losses.
From speaking with , who played a very important role, I know that they've trained a significant number of Northwest Territories firefighters to prepare for next year. We hope that next year is not as bad as last year.
It all comes down to the need for a credible climate plan. The price on pollution that we are implementing is a significant part of that credible climate plan. There are many other initiatives that are included, like climate adaptation. There are a lot of initiatives included in that, but that's something that our government is addressing head-on. That's something that the party on the other side of the lobby really has no plan for.
That's something that we're going to keep moving on. We're going to work co-operatively with the territorial government, with first nations and with the indigenous nations that live there. We're going to have their backs in the upcoming year.
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I know that both first nations are disappointed that the unresolved issues were not resolved prior to the signing, and they are very much looking forward to resolving the outstanding issues as soon as possible.
To the point not just around Nutrition North but more broadly about affordability, as you know, many first nations here in northern Manitoba face a high cost of living because they depend on the ice roads, and the ice roads are increasingly unreliable as a result of climate change.
I raised this question to Minister Hajdu, but it is intimately related to the question of subsidizing Nutrition North and to food security, particularly here in northern Manitoba: As the minister responsible for Nutrition North, do you support the calls of first nations on the east side of Lake Winnipeg, as well as further north, who have been clear about this? They want a reinstatement of the east side road initiative, and they are calling on the federal government to invest in all-weather road infrastructure, an airport for Wasagamack First Nation and investment in the stretch between St. Theresa Point and Berens River, as well as the northern leg between Oxford House and Garden Hill.
These are all first nations that depend on Nutrition North and subsidies and these are all first nations that are facing an extremely high cost of living, and an all-weather road in the age of climate change would make a real difference.
Do you support these first nations' calls for federal investment in all-weather road infrastructure?