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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 69
Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 4:23 p.m. to 6:35 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Emmanuel Dubourg, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Jean-Rodrigue Paré, Analyst
As an individual
• François Le Moine, Lawyer
• Francyne Lord, Public Art Consultant
Canada Research Chair in Architecture, Competitions and Mediations of Excellence
• Jean-Pierre Chupin, Full Professor, Université de Montréal
Team Daoust
• Renée Daoust, Founding Partner, Architect, Urbanist
• Luca Fortin, Artist and Architect
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, March 9, 2023, the committee resumed its study of national monument to Canada’s mission in Afghanistan.

Renée Daoust, Luca Fortin, Jean-Pierre Chupin, Francyne Lord and François Le Moine made statements and answered questions.

Motion

Luc Desilets moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1), the Committee ask the government to produce all e-mails, memos and other documents, unclassified, exchanged between the various departments involved in the selection of the artist and design team for the national memorial to Canada's mission in Afghanistan, namely the Department of Canadian Heritage and the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council; and that all such documents be received by the Clerk of the Committee, in both official languages, no later than November 17, 2023;

That the Chair of the Committee denounces the government's about-face and lack of respect for the rules in deciding not to award the design of the commemorative monument to the team linking the artist Luca Fortin and the architectural firm Daoust Lestage Lizotte Stecker, which won the competition conducted by a team of experts set up by the Liberal government itself;

And that, as part of its study of the commemorative monument, the Committee add a meeting and invite Mr. Pablo Rodriguez, former Minister of Canadian Heritage, and Mr. Lawrence MacAuley, former Minister of Veterans Affairs, to testify for a minimum of one hour each, within one week of receiving the documents.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Sean Casey moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Carolyn Bennett, Sean Casey, Bryan May, Wilson Miao, Randeep Sarai — 5;

NAYS: Alexandre Boulerice, Luc Desilets, Terry Dowdall, Blake Richards, Fraser Tolmie, Cathay Wagantall — 6.

Amendment

Sean Casey moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the second paragraph.

The question was put on the amendment of Sean Casey and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Carolyn Bennett, Sean Casey, Bryan May, Wilson Miao, Randeep Sarai — 5;

NAYS: Alexandre Boulerice, Luc Desilets, Terry Dowdall, Blake Richards, Fraser Tolmie, Cathay Wagantall — 6.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Alexandre Boulerice, Luc Desilets, Terry Dowdall, Blake Richards, Fraser Tolmie, Cathay Wagantall — 6;

NAYS: Carolyn Bennett, Sean Casey, Bryan May, Wilson Miao, Randeep Sarai — 5.

At 5:49 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:57 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Jennifer Ebert, Assistant Commissioner, Commanding Officer, B Division
• DeAnna Hill, Assistant Commissioner, Commanding Officer, J Division
• Nadine Huggins, Chief Human Resources Officer
• Joanne Rigon, Executive Director, Executive Liaison Officer, National Compensation Services, Human Resources
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 3, 2022, the committee resumed its study of the experience of women Veterans.

Nadine Huggins made a statement and, with Jennifer Ebert, DeAnna Hill and Joanne Rigon, answered questions.

At 6:35 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre (Sacha) Vassiliev
Clerk of the committee