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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 115
Monday, September 16, 2024, 11:01 a.m. to 1:02 p.m.
In Camera
Presiding
Ken McDonald, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Natacha Kramski, Analyst
• Marlisa Tiedemann, Analyst
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, January 18, 2022, the committee resumed its study of illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing.

The committee resumed consideration of a draft report.

It was agreed, — That the draft report, as amended, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the report be entitled: "Reducing the Harms Caused to Canadian Fish Stocks by the Illegal, Unreported and Unregulated Fishing".

It was agreed, — That the Chair, clerk and analysts be authorized to make such grammatical and editorial changes as may be necessary without changing the substance of the report.

It was agreed, — That dissenting or supplementary opinions be in Calibri 12-point font, left aligned, single-spaced, and be submitted electronically, in both official languages, to the clerk of the committee, not later than Monday, September 23, 2024 at 5:00 p.m.

ORDERED, — That the Chair present the report to the House.

It was agreed, — That the committee proceed to sit in public.

At 11:18 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:26 a.m., the meeting resumed in public.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Clifford Small moved, — That, given that after nine years and six fisheries ministers, Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government has betrayed harvesters and made a mess of Newfoundland and Labrador’s inshore fishery, the Liberal government has ignored Canadian fish harvesters and is not listening to their concerns; that the Fish, Food, and Allied Workers Union (FFAW-Unifor) has recently stated that the “federal Liberal government has completely and utterly failed our province and the recovery of the great Northern cod stock”; and that because Canadian fish harvesters need their voices heard so that those who are adjacent and reliant on this stock can reap the benefits of their 32 years of conservation efforts, the committee begin a study of at least four meetings into the impact of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government’s betrayal of Canadian fish harvesters, and that the meetings consist of: (a) one 2-hour meeting with the Honourable Diane Lebouthillier, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard; (b) one 2-hour meeting with officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard; (c) one 2-hour meeting with the Fish, Food, and Allied Workers Union (FFAW-Unifor); and (d) at least one meeting with stakeholders deemed relevant to the subject; and, that the committee report its findings to the House.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:31 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:36 a.m., the meeting resumed.

Amendment

Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “after nine years and six fisheries Ministers, Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government has betrayed harvesters and made a mess of Newfoundland and Labrador’s inshore fishery, the Liberal government has ignored Canadian fish harvesters and is not listening to their concerns,”; by deleting the words “that Canadian fish harvesters need their voices heard so that those who are adjacent and reliant on this stock can reap the benefits of their 32 years of conservation efforts,” and replacing with the words “that Cod is a culturally, socially, and economically significant fishery that impacts many coastal communities in Newfoundland and Labrador”; by replacing “four meetings” with the words “two meetings”; by replacing the words “of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government’s betrayal of Canadian fish harvesters, and, that the meetings consist of: (a) One 2-hour meeting with the Honourable Diane Lebouthillier, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard; (b) One 2-hour meeting with officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard; (c) One 2-hour meeting with the Fish, Food, and Allied Workers Union (FFAW-Unifor); and (d) at least one meeting with stakeholders deemed relevant to the subject;” with the words “ of the reopening of the cod fishery on Newfoundland and Labrador”; and, by adding after the words “that the committee report its findings to the House“, the words “and, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee asks that the government provide a comprehensive response to the report”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:49 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:50 a.m., the meeting resumed.

Subamendment

Lisa Marie Barron moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “two meetings” with the words “four meetings”; and by adding after the words “cod fishery on Newfoundland and Labrador”, the words “that this study begin immediately, interspersed with the derelict and abandoned vessels' study”.

At 11:52 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:58 a.m., the meeting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Lisa Marie Barron and it was agreed to.

The question was put on the amendment of Mike Kelloway and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Richard Bragdon, Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Wayne Long, Robert J. Morrissey, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

Amendment

Caroline Desbiens moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “reopening of the cod fishery on Newfoundland and Labrador”, the following: “and Quebec that has repercussions on the St. Lawrence River’s fish stocks”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Caroline Desbiens and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Wayne Long, Robert J. Morrissey — 6;

NAYS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Richard Bragdon, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small — 5.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Richard Bragdon, Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Wayne Long, Robert J. Morrissey, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, given that the Fish, Food, and Allied Workers Union (FFAW-Unifor) has recently stated that “the federal Liberal government has completely and utterly failed our province and the recovery of the great Northern cod stock”, and that Cod is a culturally, socially, and economically significant fishery that impacts many coastal communities in Newfoundland and Labrador, the committee begin a study of at least four meetings into the impact of the reopening of the cod fishery on Newfoundland and Labrador and Quebec that has repercussions on the St. Lawrence River’s fish stocks; that this study begin immediately, interspersed with the derelict and abandoned vessels' study; that the committee report its findings to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government provide a comprehensive response to the report.

Motion

Mel Arnold moved, — That the committee request the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard to appear before the committee for no less than 2 hours, within 14 days of the adoption of this motion, in relation to her mandate and current priorities for fisheries, oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “within 14 days of the adoption of this motion” with the words “on Wednesday, October 9, 2024”.

At 12:20 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:23 p.m., the meeting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Mike Kelloway and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee request the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard to appear before the committee for no less than 2 hours, on Wednesday, October 9, 2024, in relation to her mandate and current priorities for fisheries, oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard.

Motion

Rick Perkins moved, — That with regard to media reports that the former Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard ignored a peace on the water accord between the Sipekne’katik First Nation and commercial fishermen in Saint Mary’s Bay, and given that in the years following: (i) organized crime has profited and flourished off the trade of unlicensed lobster harvests; and (ii) Acadian and first nation communities have been routinely terrorized around the Clare area through arson and violence, the committee therefore agrees to hold two meetings to investigate why the minister ignored this agreement, and that committee agree to invite the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, her officials, former Chief of the Sipekne’katik First Nation Mike Sack, and the president of the United Fisheries Conservation Association, Colin Sproul, and that these meetings begin following the completion of the cod study.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:29 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:31 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Amendment

Mel Arnold moved, — That the motion be amended by adding the word “and the derelict and abandoned vessels’ study” after the words “the completion of the cod study".

At 1:02 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Geneviève Dubois-Richard
Clerk of the committee