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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 122
Thursday, June 20, 2024, 11:03 a.m. to Thursday, September 19, 2024, 12:49 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Ben Carr, Chair (Liberal)

• Valerie Bradford for Hon. Mona Fortier (Liberal)
• Garnett Genuis for Blaine Calkins (Conservative)
• Marilène Gill for Marie-Hélène Gaudreau (Bloc Québécois)
• Ryan Turnbull for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
House of Commons
• Michael MacPherson, Procedural Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Andre Barnes, Analyst
• Laurence Brosseau, Analyst
• Hon. Dominic LeBlanc, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs
Privy Council Office
• Nathalie Drouin, Deputy Clerk of the Privy Council and National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Prime Minister
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, May 28, 2024, the committee commenced its study of documents requested by the Commissioner of the Public Inquiry Into Foreign Interference in Federal Electoral Processes.

The Minister made a statement and, with Nathalie G. Drouin, answered questions.

At 12:10 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:16 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Communications Security Establishment
• Caroline Xavier, Chief
Privy Council Office
• Nathalie Drouin, Deputy Clerk of the Privy Council and National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Prime Minister
Pursuant to the order of reference of Thursday, May 9, 2024, the committee resumed consideration of the question of privilege related to cyber attacks targeting members of Parliament.

Nathalie G. Drouin made a statement and, with Caroline Xavier, answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Michael Cooper moved, — That, given the large workload the committee is managing, the committee instruct the Chair to schedule five meetings between Monday, July 8, 2024, and Friday, September 13, 2024, to address the report of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians titled Special Report on Foreign Interference in Canada’s Democratic Processes and Institutions, tabled in Parliament on Monday, June 3, 2024, and to continue the committee’s ongoing work on foreign election interference.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Mark Gerretsen moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Terry Duguid, Mark Gerretsen, Marilène Gill, Stéphane Lauzon, Lindsay Mathyssen, Sherry Romanado — 7;

NAYS: Luc Berthold, Michael Cooper, Eric Duncan, Garnett Genuis — 4.

Communications Security Establishment
• Caroline Xavier, Chief
Privy Council Office
• Nathalie Drouin, Deputy Clerk of the Privy Council and National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Prime Minister
Pursuant to the order of reference of Thursday, May 9, 2024, the committee resumed consideration of the question of privilege related to cyber attacks targeting members of Parliament.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Lindsay Mathyssen moved, — That, given the recent findings of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians Special Report on Foreign Interference in Canada’s Democratic Processes and Institutions, the committee order the production of all relevant memoranda, briefing notes, e-mails, records of conversations, and any other relevant documents from department and agencies, including the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and Communications Security Establishment Canada, concerning interactions with Conservative Party of Canada officials and representatives on the topic of foreign interference; and its impact on the outcome of the 2020 and 2022 leadership races, provided that:

(i) both agencies tasked with gathering these documents apply redactions according to the Access to Information and Privacy Act;

(ii) these redacted documents be deposited as soon as possible, but not later than Sunday, June 23, 2024, with the clerk of the committee to be distributed to all members of the committee in both official languages.

Debate arose thereon.

At 1:25 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:00 a.m., on Thursday, September 19, 2024, the meeting resumed in public.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Lindsay Mathyssen moved on Thursday, June 20, 2024, which read as follows:

Given the recent findings of the NSICOP Special Report on Foreign Interference in Canada’s Democratic Processes and Institutions, the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs order the production of all relevant memoranda, briefing notes, e-mails, records of conversations, and any other relevant documents from department and agencies, including the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and Communications Security Establishment Canada, concerning interactions with Conservative Party of Canada officials and representatives on the topic of foreign interference; and its impact on the outcome of the 2020 and 2022 leadership races, provided that:

(i) both agencies tasked with gathering these documents apply redactions according to the Access to Information and Privacy Act;

(ii) these redacted documents be deposited as soon as possible, but not later than Sunday, June 23, 2024, with the clerk of the committee to be distributed to all members of the committee in both official languages.

By unanimous consent, it was agreed, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “as soon as possible, but not later than Sunday, June 23, 2024” with the words “30 days following the adoption of this motion”.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Luc Berthold, Blaine Calkins, Michael Cooper, Eric Duncan, Lindsay Mathyssen — 5;

NAYS: Terry Duguid, Mona Fortier, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Mark Gerretsen, Sherry Romanado, Ryan Turnbull — 6.

Motion

Michael Cooper moved, — That the committee invite the Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs to appear before the committee for no less than two hours, within 14 days of the adoption of this motion, in relation to his priorities for the return of Parliament and his mandate.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “two hours” with the words “one hour”, by deleting the words “within 14 days of the adoption of this motion” and by adding after the words “his mandate” the following: “as part of the study of Bill C-65, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act”.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Lindsay Mathyssen moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “one hour” with the words “two hours” and by deleting the words “as part of the study of Bill C-65, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the subamendment of Lindsay Mathyssen and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Luc Berthold, Blaine Calkins, Michael Cooper, Terry Duguid, Eric Duncan, Mona Fortier, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Mark Gerretsen, Lindsay Mathyssen, Sherry Romanado, Ryan Turnbull — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

Debate resumed on the amendment as amended.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull, as amended, and it was agreed to.

Amendment

Luc Berthold moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “two hours” the following: “within 21 days following the adoption of this motion.”.

The question was put on the amendment of Luc Berthold and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Luc Berthold, Blaine Calkins, Michael Cooper, Terry Duguid, Eric Duncan, Mona Fortier, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Mark Gerretsen, Lindsay Mathyssen, Sherry Romanado, Ryan Turnbull — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Luc Berthold, Blaine Calkins, Michael Cooper, Terry Duguid, Eric Duncan, Mona Fortier, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Mark Gerretsen, Lindsay Mathyssen, Sherry Romanado, Ryan Turnbull — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee invite the Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs to appear before the committee for no less than two hours, within 21 days of the adoption of the motion, in relation to his priorities for the return of Parliament and his mandate.

At 12:27 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:28 p.m., the meeting resumed in camera.

It was agreed, — That the committee invite the Chief Electoral Officer of Canada in relation to his pilot project of adding Inuktut on federal election ballots in the electoral district of Nunavut for one hour on Tuesday, September 24, 2024.

It was agreed, — That the committee invite the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner in relation to his proposed changes to the forms and procedural and interpretative guidelines for one hour on Tuesday, September 24, 2024.

It was agreed, — That the committee hear testimony from witnesses in relation to the question of privilege related to cyber attacks targeting Members of Parliament during the first hour on Thursday, September 26, 2024, and that the members submit their suggested witnesses to the clerk no later than on Friday, September 20, 2024, at 12 p.m.

It was agreed, — That the committee discuss planning of future business during the second hour on Thursday, September 26, 2024.

At 12:49 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Christine Holke
Clerk of the committee