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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 75
Thursday, May 18, 2023, 11:00 a.m. to 1:33 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Hon. Bardish Chagger, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Andre Barnes, Analyst
• Laurence Brosseau, Analyst
Elections Canada
• Stéphane Perrault, Chief Electoral Officer
• Marc Limoges, Chief Financial Officer
Leaders' Debates Commission
• Michel Cormier, Executive Director
• Jess Milton, Director of Production and Engagement
• Chantal Ouimet, Director of Communications
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the committee resumed consideration of the Main Estimates 2023-24: Vote 1 under House of Commons, Vote 1 under Leaders' Debates Commission, Vote 1 under Office of the Chief Electoral Officer and Vote 1 under Parliamentary Protective Service, referred to the committee on Wednesday, February 15, 2023.

Stéphane Perrault and Michel Cormier made statements and, with Marc Limoges, Jess Milton and Chantal Ouimet, answered questions.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Vote 1 under House of Commons, Vote 1 under Leaders' Debates Commission, Vote 1 under Office of the Chief Electoral Officer and Vote 1 under Parliamentary Protective Service.

Vote 1 under House of Commons, Vote 1 under Leaders' Debates Commission, Vote 1 under Office of the Chief Electoral Officer and Vote 1 under Parliamentary Protective Service, carried on division.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report Vote 1 under House of Commons, Vote 1 under Leaders' Debates Commission, Vote 1 under Office of the Chief Electoral Officer and Vote 1 under Parliamentary Protective Service to the House.

At 11:55 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:01 p.m., the sitting resumed.

As an individual
• Tausha Michaud
• Walied Soliman
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(a)(vi) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 22, 2022, the committee resumed its study of the foreign election interference.

Tausha Michaud and Walied Soliman, having made a solemn affirmation, made statements and answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Michael Cooper moved, — That, in relation to its order of reference of Wednesday, May 10, 2023, concerning the intimidation campaign orchestrated by Wei Zhao against the Member for Wellington—Halton Hills and other Members, the committee:

(a) order the production:

(i) within one week, of the July 2021 CSIS report entitled “People’s Republic of China Foreign Interference in Canada: A Critical National Security Threat”, together with all records concerning the transmission to, distribution within, analysis of and handling by, the Prime Minister’s Office, the Privy Council Office, the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development and the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, of this report;

(ii) within three weeks, of all other memoranda, briefing notes, e-mails, records of conversations, and any other relevant documents, including any drafts, which are in the possession of any government department or agency, including the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force, the Critical Election Incident Protocol Panel, any minister’s office and the Prime Minister’s Office, containing information concerning planning or efforts by, or on behalf of, foreign governments or other foreign state actors to intimidate a Member of the House of Commons, provided that;

(iii) these documents be deposited without redaction with the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, in both official languages;

(iv) a copy of the documents shall also be deposited with the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, in both official languages, with any proposed redaction of any information which, in the government’s opinion, could reasonably be expected to compromise the identities of employees or sources or intelligence-collecting methods of Canadian or allied intelligence agencies;

(v) the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel shall promptly notify the committee whether the Office is satisfied that the documents were produced as ordered, and, if not, the Chair shall be instructed to present forthwith, on behalf of the committee, a report to the House outlining the material facts of the situation;

(vi) the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel shall assess the redactions proposed by the government, pursuant to subparagraph (iv), to determine whether the Office agrees that the proposed redactions conform with the criteria set out in subparagraph (iv) and:

(A) if it agrees, it shall provide the documents, as redacted by the government pursuant to subparagraph (iv), to the Clerk of the Committee; or

(B) if it disagrees with some or all of the proposed redactions, it shall provide a copy of the documents, redacted in the manner the Office determines would conform with the criteria set out in paragraph (iv), together with a report indicating the number, extent and nature of the government's proposed redactions which were disagreed with, to the clerk of the committee;

(vii) the clerk of the committee shall cause the documents, provided by the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel pursuant to subparagraph (vi), to be distributed to the members of the committee and to be published on the committee’s website forthwith upon receipt; and

(b) make the evidence received during this study available for its study on foreign election interference.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Sherry Romanado moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Rachel Blaney, Greg Fergus, Viviane Lapointe, Sherry Romanado, Ruby Sahota, Ryan Turnbull — 6;

NAYS: Luc Berthold, Blaine Calkins, Michael Cooper, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, John Nater — 5.

At 1:33 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Michael MacPherson
Clerk of the committee