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Minutes of Proceedings
Conservative
Bloc Québécois
On motion of Kristina Michaud, it was agreed, — That pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of the consequences to Canada of the measures announced by Donald Trump during the American presidential campaign concerning the deportation of persons illegally present in the United States, and of the Canadian Federal Government’s plan to ensure border security and compliance with federal immigration law and policies.
That the committee invites the following witnesses to testify:- For two hours each accompanied senior officials of their respective departments:
- The Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs;
- The Honourable Marc Miller, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship; and,
- For one hour each:
- Kirsten Hillman, Canadian Ambassador to the United States;
- David L. Cohen, United States Ambassador to Canada;
- The Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Chair of the committee on Canada-United States Relations;
- Michael Duheme, Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police;
- Erin O’Gorman, the President of the Canada Border Services Agency.
- As well as any witnesses the committee deems necessary, in accordance with the committee’s usual practices.
That the committee give priority to this study and report its observations to the House.
Marty Morantz moved, — Given that recent court filings have revealed disturbing details about a thwarted ISIS linked bomb plot targeting Jewish Canadians on Parliament Hill, and given that hate crimes have increased 251% over the past nine years,
The committee immediately prioritize a study to investigate the dramatic rise in terrorist plots and acts of violence targeting Canada's Jewish community, including the thwarted terror attack on Parliament Hill; that the study be comprised of no less than six meetings; that the Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs, the Special Advisor on Jewish Community Relations and Antisemitism to the Prime Minister, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Commissioner, the Director of the Parliamentary Protective Service, the Director of Canadian Security Intelligence Service and other law enforcement officials, and civil society and academic organizations, including the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs and B'nai B'rith, be invited to testify as part of this study; and that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.Pam Damoff moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.
RULING BY THE CHAIR
The Chair ruled the proposed motion admissible.
Whereupon, Dane Lloyd appealed the decision of the Chair.
The question: “Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?” was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Pam Damoff, Nathaniel Erkine-Smith, Gord Johns, Heath MacDonald, Kristina Michaud, Jennifer O'Connell, Salma Zahid, — 7.
NAYS: Dane Lloyd, Marty Morantz, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 4.
Accordingly, the Chair's decision was sustained.
The debate on the motion continued.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Pam Damoff, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Heath MacDonald, Jennifer O'Connell, Salma Zahid — 5;
NAYS: Gord Johns, Dane Lloyd, Kristina Michaud, Marty Morantz, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6.
Pam Damoff moved, — That the motion be amended by adding before the words “given that” the following: “Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), and”.
By replacing the words “that hate crimes have increased 251% over the past nine years,” with the words “the growing trend of violent extremism, in particular, the increase in youth involvement,”.By adding after the words “The committee” the following: “invite”. By deleting the words “immediately prioritize a study to investigate the dramatic rise in terrorist plots and acts of violence targeting Canada's Jewish community, including the thwarted terror attack on Parliament Hill; that the study be comprised of no less than six meetings; that the Minister of Public Safety, the Special Advisor on Jewish Community Relations and Antisemitism to the Prime Minister,”. By adding before the words “the Royal Canadian Mounted Police” the following: “Brigitte Gauvin”. By adding between the words “the Royal Canadian Mounted Police” and “Commissioner” the following: “Deputy”. By adding after the word “Commissioner” the following : “for National Security, Representatives of the RCMP’s Federal Policing Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, Robert Burley, Executive Director of the Canada Center for Community Engagement and Prevention of Violence, Officials from Public Safety Canada and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service,”. By replacing the words “the Director of Canadian Security Intelligence Service and other law enforcement officials,” with the words : “representatives from TikTok, X, Snapchat, Discord, Reddit, Facebook, Telegram, Minecraft and Roblox,”. By adding after the words “B'nai B'rith,” the following : “to discuss the foiled terrorist plot, the rise of violent extremism, including Antisemitism and Islamophobia, recent measures the federal government has undertaken to address it, and the role that social media and gaming platforms play in radicalizing youth and mobilizing violence”. By deleting the words “be invited to testify as part of this study; and”. By adding after the words “the House” the following: “; and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.”.The motion, as amended, read as follows:
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), and given that recent court filings have revealed disturbing details about a thwarted ISIS linked bomb plot targeting Jewish Canadians on Parliament Hill, and given the growing trend of violent extremism, in particular, the increase in youth involvement,
The committee invite Brigitte Gauvin, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Deputy Commissioner for National Security, Representatives of the RCMP’s Federal Policing Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, Robert Burley, Executive Director of the Canada Center for Community Engagement and Prevention of Violence, Officials from Public Safety Canada and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Director of the Parliamentary Protective Service, representatives from TikTok, X, Snapchat, Discord, Reddit, Facebook, Telegram, Minecraft and Roblox, and civil society and academic organizations, including the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs and B'nai B'rith, to discuss the foiled terrorist plot, the rise of violent extremism, including Antisemitism and Islamophobia, recent measures the federal government has undertaken to address it, and the role that social media and gaming platforms play in radicalizing youth and mobilizing violence. That the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House; and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.Debate arose thereon.
At 4:13 p.m., the meeting was suspended.
At 4:21 p.m., the meeting resumed.
On motion of Dane Lloyd, it was agreed, — That the debate be now adjourned.
Lauren Southern made a statement and answered questions.
Doug Shipley gave notice of the following motion:
Given that it was reported this week that the families of Paul Bernardo's victims had been denied the right to deliver their impact statements in person at his upcoming parole hearing, and that the parole board is now saying it is “currently working to accommodate the in-person presentation of statements by victims” who wish to appear at the November 26 hearing, The committee invite:- The Minister of Public Safety;
- The Chairperson of the Parole Board of Canada;
- The Federal Ombudsperson for Victims of Crime.
Questioning of Lauren Southern resumed.
Jennifer O'Connell moved, — That debate resume on the motion of Marty Morantz.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Pam Damoff, Gord Johns, Heath MacDonald, Kristina Michaud, Jennifer O'Connell, Tony Van Bynen, Salma Zahid — 7;
NAYS: Dane Lloyd, Marty Morantz, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 4.
The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Marty Morantz, — Given that recent court filings have revealed disturbing details about a thwarted ISIS linked bomb plot targeting Jewish Canadians on Parliament Hill, and given that hate crimes have increased 251% over the past nine years,
The committee immediately prioritize a study to investigate the dramatic rise in terrorist plots and acts of violence targeting Canada's Jewish community, including the thwarted terror attack on Parliament Hill; that the study be comprised of no less than six meetings; that the Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs, the Special Advisor on Jewish Community Relations and Antisemitism to the Prime Minister, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Commissioner, the Director of the Parliamentary Protective Service, the Director of Canadian Security Intelligence Service and other law enforcement officials, and civil society and academic organizations, including the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs and B'nai B'rith, be invited to testify as part of this study; and that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.The debate continued.
Gord Johns moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Gord Johns, Dane Lloyd, Kristina Michaud, Marty Morantz, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6;
NAYS: Pam Damoff, Heath MacDonald, Jennifer O'Connell, Tony Van Bynen, Salma Zahid — 5.
At 5:33 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.