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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 63
Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 3:56 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

House of Commons
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
• Jean-François Pagé, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Pascale Robillard, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That the Fourth Report from the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure, which read as follows, be concurred in:

1. That five meetings, including one meeting with the Minister of Public Safety, be dedicated to Bill C-20, An Actestablishing the Public Complaints and Review Commission and amending certain Acts and statutory instruments.

2. That the members send their list of proposed witnesses for Bill C-20 to the clerk no later than Friday, May 12, 2023.

3. That the clerk takes the necessary steps to organize a total of four additional hours of committee meeting, to beheld during the week of May 1st and/or, if needed, the following week, given the cancellation of the meetings on May 5 and 19, 2023.

Department of Justice
• Marianne Breese, Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
• Paula Clarke, Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
• Phaedra Glushek, Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Rachel Mainville-Dale, Acting Director General, Firearms Policy
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Rob Daly, Director, Strategic Policy, Canadian Firearms Program
• Kellie Paquette, Director General, Canadian Firearms Program
Pursuant to the order of reference of Thursday, June 23, 2022, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-21, An Act to amend certain Acts and to make certain consequential amendments (firearms).

Marianne Breese, Paula Clarke, Phaedra Glushek, Rachel Mainville-Dale, Rob Daly and Kellie Paquette answered questions.

The committee resumed its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

The committee resumed clause-by-clause consideration on Clause 1 of the Bill.

Pam Damoff moved, — That Bill C-21, in Clause 1, be amended by adding after line 15 on page 1 the following:

(1.1) The definition “prohibition order” in subsection 84(1) of the Act is replaced by the following:

“prohibition order” means an order made under this Act or any other Act of Parliament prohibiting a person from possessing any firearm, cross-bow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, firearm part, ammunition, prohibited ammunition or explosive substance, or all such things; (“ordonnance d’interdiction”)

(1.2) The definition “prohibited firearm” in subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by striking out “or” at the end of paragraph (c), by adding “or” at the end of paragraph (d) and by adding the following after paragraph (d):

(e) any unlawfully manufactured firearm regardless of the means or method of manufacture; (“arme à feu prohibée”)

(1.3) Subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by adding the following in alphabetical order:

“firearm part” means a barrel for a firearm, a slide for a handgun and any other prescribed part, but does not include, unless otherwise prescribed, a barrel for a firearm or a slide for a handgun if that barrel or slide is designed exclusively for use on a firearm that is deemed under subsection 84(3) not to be a firearm; (“piéce d’arme à feu”)

(1.4)  Subsections (1.1) and (1.3) come into force on a day or days to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.

(1.5)  Subsection (1.2) comes into force on the 30th day after the day on which this Act receives royal assent.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Pam Damoff and it was agreed to.

Pam Damoff moved, — That Bill C-21, in Clause 1, be amended by adding after line 15 on page 1 the following:

(1.1) The definition “prohibited firearm” in subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by striking out “or” at the end of paragraph (c), by adding “or” at the end of paragraph (d) and by adding the following after paragraph (d):

(e) a firearm that is not a handgun and that

(i) discharges centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,

(ii) was originally designed with a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity of six cartridges or more, and

(iii) is designed and manufactured on or after the day on which this paragraph comes into force; (“arme à feu prohibée”)

(1.2) Subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by adding the following in alphabetical order:

“semi-automatic”, in respect of a firearm, means that the firearm that is equipped with a mechanism that, following the discharge of a cartridge, automatically operates to complete any part of the reloading cycle necessary to prepare for the discharge of the next cartridge; (“semi-automatique”)

Debate arose thereon.

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment admissible because it is within the scope of the Bill.

At 5:26 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:44 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Whereupon, Glen Motz appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Paul Chiang, Pam Damoff, Iqwinder Gaheer, Peter Julian, Kristina Michaud, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 7;

NAYS: Raquel Dancho, Glen Motz, Alex Ruff, Doug Shipley — 4.

At 6:08 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:14 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued

At 7:00 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Simon Larouche
Clerk of the committee