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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 76
Wednesday, October 18, 2023, 5:26 p.m. to 7:10 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

• Claude DeBellefeuille for Kristina Michaud (Bloc Québécois)
• Garnett Genuis for Dane Lloyd (Conservative)
• Leslyn Lewis for Eric Melillo (Conservative)
House of Commons
• Dancella Boyi, Legislative Clerk
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Sabrina Charland, Analyst
• Alexsandra Ferland, Analyst
Canada Border Services Agency
• Cathy Maltais, Director, Recourse Directorate
Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Joanne Gibb, Senior Director, Strategic Operations and Policy Directorate
• Lesley McCoy, General Counsel
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Randall Koops, Director General, International Border Policy
• Martin Leuchs, Manager, Border Policy Division
• Deidre Pollard-Bussey, Director, Policing Policy
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Kathleen Clarkin, Director, National Recruiting Program
• Stéphane Drouin, Director General, Workplace Responsibility Branch, Professional Responsibility Sector
Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, November 25, 2022, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-20, An Act Establishing the Public Complaints and Review Commission and amending certain Acts and statutory instruments.

Motion

Peter Julian moved, — That the committee hold a three hour meeting, immediately after the committee’s study of Bill C-20, on the rights of victims of crime and the security reclassification and transfer of offenders within federal corrections.

That the committee invite:

  1. The Commissioner of Correctional Service Canada, Anne Kelly; Deputy Minister of Public Safety, Shawn Tupper; the Correctional Investigator; the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime, Benjamin Roebuck; and Tim Danson, lawyer for the victims to appear,
  2. Representatives of the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers (UCCO) to appear,
  3. Representatives of the Union of Safety and Justice Employees (USJE) to appear.

Furthermore, that the committee invite immediately the Minister of Public Safety and ministry departmental officials to come to committee for two hours to discuss the Public Safety Minister’s mandate.

Finally, that the committee hold a one hour in camera meeting to be briefed on trauma-informed questioning at committee for future testimony from victims.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENT BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the motion admissible.

Whereupon, Garnett Genuis appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chris Bittle, Iqwinder Gaheer, Peter Julian, Heath MacDonald, Kristina Michaud, Jennifer O'Connell, Peter Schiefke — 7;

NAYS: Garnett Genuis, Leslyn Lewis, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 4.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Peter Julian, — That the committee hold a three hour meeting, immediately after the committee’s study of Bill C-20, on the rights of victims of crime and the security reclassification and transfer of offenders within federal corrections.

That the committee invite:

  1. The Commissioner of Correctional Service Canada, Anne Kelly; Deputy Minister of Public Safety, Shawn Tupper; the Correctional Investigator; the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime, Benjamin Roebuck; and Tim Danson, lawyer for the victims to appear,
  2. Representatives of the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers (UCCO) to appear,
  3. Representatives of the Union of Safety and Justice Employees (USJE) to appear.

Furthermore, that the committee invite immediately the Minister of Public Safety and ministry departmental officials to come to committee for two hours to discuss the Public Safety Minister’s mandate.

Finally, that the committee hold a one hour in camera meeting to be briefed on trauma-informed questioning at committee for future testimony from victims.

Amendment

Doug Shipley moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “three hours meeting” with the words “three meetings” and by adding after the words “Union of Safety and Justice Employees (USJE) to appear” the following: “and that the committee invite the former minister of Public Safety, Marco Mendicino”.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding before the words “three meetings” the following: “at least”.

Debate arose thereon.

Garnett Genius gave notice of the following motion:

That, in the opinion of the committee, the government should immediately list the IRGC as a terrorist entity under the Criminal Code, and this be reported to the House.

That the committee report to the House that it should give second reading to Bill C-350, the Combatting, Torture and Terrorism Act, and that it be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security”.

That the committee recognize the rise and hateful attacks against people of faith in the places where they worship in Canada from the constitutionally protected right to freedom of religion, and call upon the government to immediately increase protection for synagogues, mosques and churches in Canada, and that this be reported to the House.

That in the opinion of the committee, the families of Paul Bernardo's victims should have been meaningfully consulted on his transfer to medium security, and that this be reported to the House. Debate arose thereon.

At 7:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Simon Larouche
Clerk of the committee