It was agreed, — That the clerk of the committee be directed to prepare a travel budget to be submitted to the Subcommittee on Committee Budgets of the Liaison Committee for travel to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland during the travel period of April to June 2023.

It was agreed, — That the committee proceed to sit in public.

At 3:51 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 3:57 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

James Bezan moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(1)(a) and (2), the Committee order: a. the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces to provide the Clerk of the Committee, in both official languages and within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, with respect to each contract entered into with McKinsey & Company since January 1, 2011, copies of (i) requests for tenders or other procurement requests related to each contract, (ii) tenders, bids, proposals or other applications received in respect of those procurement requests, (iii) contracts entered into including any amendments thereto, (iv) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, (v) statements of work performed by McKinsey & Company under each contract, (vi) all work product provided by McKinsey & Company under each contract, (vii) invoices provided by McKinsey & Company, (viii) records of all payments made to McKinsey & Company, (ix) the hourly and/or daily rates McKinsey & Company charged for each employee working under each contract, and (x) the names of project managers and/or project authorities from McKinsey & Company in relation to each contract, provided that these documents shall be circulated to the members of the Committee forthwith upon receipt; and b. McKinsey & Company to provide, to the Clerk of the Committee within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, with respect to each contract entered into with the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces, since January 1, 2011, copies of (i) all records referred to in paragraph (a), (ii) all records concerning the details and descriptions of work performed under each contract, (iii) timesheets documenting work done under each contract, (iv) the hourly and/or daily rates McKinsey & Company charged for work performed under each contract, (v) the names of project managers and/or project authorities from McKinsey & Company in relation to each contract, (vi) all records concerning subcontracts issued by McKinsey & Company in relation to each contract, including tenders, contracts, or memoranda of understanding (including any amendments thereto), invoices, payments and evaluations, (vii) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, and (viii) the complete client list of all organizations McKinsey & Company has worked with since January 1, 2011, provided that these documents shall be circulated to the members of the Committee forthwith upon receipt and translation into both official languages.

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:03 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:07 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

The debate continued.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(1)(a) and (2), the Committee order: a. the Department of National Defence, the Canadian Armed Forces, and all special operating agencies therein, to provide the Clerk of the Committee, in both official languages and within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, with respect to each contract entered into with McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young since March 2006, copies of (i) requests for tenders or other procurement requests related to each contract, (ii) tenders, bids, proposals or other applications received in respect of those procurement requests, (iii) contracts entered into including any amendments thereto, (iv) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, (v) statements of work performed by McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young under each contract, (vi) all work product provided by McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young under each contract, (vii) invoices provided by McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young, (viii) records of all payments made to McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young, (ix) the hourly and/or daily rates McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young charged for each employee working under each contract, and (x) the names of project managers and/or project authorities from McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young in relation to each contract, provided that these documents shall be circulated to the members of the Committee forthwith upon receipt; and b. McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young to provide, to the Clerk of the Committee within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, with respect to each contract entered into with the Department of National Defence, the Canadian Armed Forces, and all special operating agencies therein, since March 2006, copies of (i) all records referred to in paragraph (a), (ii) all records concerning the details and descriptions of work performed under each contract, (iii) timesheets documenting work done under each contract, (iv) the hourly and/or daily rates McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young charged for work performed under each contract, (v) the names of project managers and/or project authorities from McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young in relation to each contract, (vi) all records concerning subcontracts issued by McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young in relation to each contract, including tenders, contracts, or memoranda of understanding (including any amendments thereto), invoices, payments and evaluations, (vii) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, and (viii) the complete client list of all organizations McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse Cooper, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young has worked with since March 2006, provided that these documents shall be circulated to the members of the Committee forthwith upon receipt and translation into both official languages.

Debate arose thereon.

Christine Normandin moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Darren Fisher, Emmanuella Lambropoulos, Lindsay Mathyssen, Bryan May, Christine Normandin, Jennifer O'Connell, Charles Sousa — 7;

NAYS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Pat Kelly, Shelby Kramp-Neuman — 4.

On motion of James Bezan, it was agreed, — That the committee proceed to sit in camera.

At 4:16 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:19 p.m., the sitting resumed in camera.

The committee proceeded to matters related to commitee business.

At 4:31 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:33 p.m., the sitting resumed in camera.

Gen Wayne Eyre and MGen Michael Wrightmade statements and, with Kati Csaba, answered questions.