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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 103
Thursday, April 11, 2024, 3:31 p.m. to 4:36 p.m.
In Camera
Presiding
Francis Scarpaleggia, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Alison Clegg, Analyst
• Sarah Yakobowski, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $7,750, for the study of Bill C-317, An Act to establish a national strategy respecting flood and drought forecasting, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the Eight Report from the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure, as amended, which read as follows, be concurred in:

  1. That the meetings on Thursday, March 21, 2024, and Thursday, April 18, 2024, be dedicated to the study of freshwater.
  2. That the Minister of Environment and Climate Change and government officials be invited to appear before the committee in relation to the Main Estimates 2023-24 on Tuesday, April 16, 2024, and if unavailable, on Tuesday, April 30, 2024.
  3. That the committee begin its study of the environment and climate impacts related to the Canadian financial system in May 2024.
  4. That Members submit witness lists to the clerk for the study of the environment and climate impacts related to the Canadian financial system by Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 4:00 p.m.
  5. That the witnesses listed in the environment and climate impacts related to the Canadian financial system motion be invited without applying the routine motion adopted on December 14, 2021, governing witness panels, but that for all other witnesses, the routine motion shall be applied.
  6. That the meeting on Tuesday, April 9, 2024, be dedicated to Bill C-317, An Act to establish a national strategy respecting flood and drought forecasting and that the committee undertake its clause-by-clause consideration at the earliest opportunity.
  7. That the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development and relevant government officials be invited to provide a briefing on the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development 2024 Spring Reports.
  8. That the evidence gathered during the meeting of Tuesday, April 9, 2024, be taken into consideration during the study of freshwater.

It was agreed, — That the committee proceed to sit in public.

At 3:47 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:01 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

Motion

Laurel Collins moved, — Given that,

  1. Canadians across the country are increasingly feeling the impact of the climate crisis through droughts, wildfires, floodings, extreme temperatures, and other extreme weather events becoming more frequent;
  2. Canadians across the country are facing a cost-of-living crisis, forcing many families to choose between putting food on the table and keeping their house warm;
  3. Canadian oil and gas companies have been making record profits since 2021;
  4. Oil and gas industry emissions make up 28 per cent of our current annual greenhouse gas emissions; and,
  5. Despite voluntary commitments from Pathways Alliance members to reduce emissions by 22 megatonnes of all greenhouse gases annually by 2030 and 68 megatonnes annually by 2050, greenhouse gas emissions from Suncor Energy Inc., Imperial Oil Ltd., Cenovus Energy Inc., and Enbridge Inc. continue to rise every year.

That the committee invite Mr. Rich Kruger, CEO of Suncor Energy Inc., Mr. Brad Corson, CEO of Imperial Oil Ltd., Mr. Jon McKenzie , CEO of Cenovus Energy Inc., and Mr. Greg Ebel, CEO of Enbridge Inc. to appear by Thursday, May 9th, 2024, for two hours to brief the members of the committee on their efforts to significantly reduce emissions to meet Canada’s international climate commitments amid their record-breaking profits since 2021, and that the committee publish a report on its findings and table it in the House.

Debate arose thereon.

On motion of Monique Pauzé, it was agreed, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “, forcing many families to choose between putting food on the table and keeping their house warm,” with the words “and are having difficulty paying for their basic needs;”.

The debate continued.

On motion of Adam van Koeverden, it was agreed, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “Cenovus Energy Inc.,” the following: “Mrs. Susannah Pierce, President and Country Chair of Shell Canada Limited and Vice President of Emerging Energy Solutions,”.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Shafqat Ali, Sophie Chatel, Laurel Collins, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Leah Taylor Roy, Adam van Koeverden — 7;

NAYS: Gérard Deltell, Michael Kram, Branden Leslie, Dan Mazier — 4.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

Given that,

  1. Canadians across the country are increasingly feeling the impact of the climate crisis through droughts, wildfires, floodings, extreme temperatures, and other extreme weather events becoming more frequent;
  2. Canadians across the country are facing a cost-of-living crisis and are having difficulty paying for their basic needs;
  3. Canadian oil and gas companies have been making record profits since 2021;
  4. Oil and gas industry emissions make up 28 per cent of our current annual greenhouse gas emissions; and,
  5. Despite voluntary commitments from Pathways Alliance members to reduce emissions by 22 megatonnes of all greenhouse gases annually by 2030 and 68 megatonnes annually by 2050, greenhouse gas emissions from Suncor Energy Inc., Imperial Oil Ltd., Cenovus Energy Inc., and Enbridge Inc. continue to rise every year.

That the committee invite Mr. Rich Kruger, CEO of Suncor Energy Inc., Mr. Brad Corson, CEO of Imperial Oil Ltd., Mr. Jon McKenzie, CEO of Cenovus Energy Inc., Mrs. Susannah Pierce, President and Country Chair of Shell Canada Limited and Vice President of Emerging Energy Solutions, and Mr. Greg Ebel, CEO of Enbridge Inc. to appear by Thursday, May 9, 2024, for two hours to brief the members of the committee on their efforts to significantly reduce emissions to meet Canada’s international climate commitments amid their record-breaking profits since 2021, and that the committee publish a report on its findings and table it in the House.

Motion

Branden Leslie moved, — Given that:

  1. On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Derek Hermanutz, Director General, Economic Analysis Directorate, for Environment and Climate Change Canada, stated at committee: “I think we’re probably in a world where we could say with some rough analysis that up to one-third, potentially, of the emission reductions that we’re projecting to 2030 would come from carbon pricing”;
  2. On Monday, April 8, 2024, Environment and Climate Change Canada provided the committee with an 18-page document titled ‘Environment Canada’s Provincial CGE (ECPRO) Model’, in response to a document production order; and,
  3. On Tuesday, April 9, 2024, the committee ordered ‘the production of the model and data from Environment and Climate Change Canada that demonstrate that “carbon pollution pricing will contribute as much as one-third of Canada’s emission reductions including all (i) parameters, (ii) assumptions, and (iii) variables, (iv) economic modelling, (v) and emissions reduction modelling.”

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a) the committee requests that the Minister of Environment and Climate Change Canada and officials from Environment and Climate Change Canada to testify on the Liberal government’s carbon pricing emission model(s), analyses, and economic modelling for no less than two hours by Friday, May 24, 2024.

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:21 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:29 p.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Shafqat Ali, Sophie Chatel, Laurel Collins, Gérard Deltell, Michael Kram, Branden Leslie, Lloyd Longfield, Dan Mazier, Monique Pauzé, Leah Taylor Roy, Adam van Koeverden — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

At 4:36 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Natalie Jeanneault
Clerk of the committee