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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 110
Monday, October 21, 2024, 11:02 a.m. to 1:21 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
George Chahal, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Aimée Belmore, Analyst
• Sarah Houle, Analyst
International Union of Operating Engineers
• Patrick Campbell, Canadian Regional Director
Pipe Line Contractors Association of Canada
• Kevin O'Donnell, Executive Director
Trans Mountain Corporation
• Mark Maki, Chief Executive Officer
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, June 6, 2024, the committee resumed its study of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.

At 11:34 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:35 a.m., the meeting resumed.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

At 12:24 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:27 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Motion

Julie Dabrusin moved, —

That the committee resume consideration of her motion moved on Monday, October 7, 2024, which read as follows:

Given that:

• There are 1,600 abandoned and orphaned oil wells in Alberta polluting farmland, waterways, and air;

• The number of abandoned wells in Alberta are set to increase by an additional 1,800 to 2,000;

• These additional abandoned wells will cost more than $200 million to clean up;

• The Government of Alberta sent back $137 million because they failed to use the funds provided by the Government of Canada to clean up abandoned wells and create jobs in the pandemic;

• The Government of Saskatchewan used their allocated funds in their entirety to clean abandoned wells and create jobs;

• Companies who abandon wells and fail to pay for their cleanup negatively impact provincial taxpayers and municipalities;

• Orphaned and abandoned wells present an economic opportunity to support energy solutions like geothermal energy.

The Standing Committee on Natural Resources begin a five-meeting study on the impact of this failure to clean these wells in Alberta, the impacts of the pollution from not cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the costs of cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the regulations to hold companies to account for well cleanup, and the potential opportunities associated with cleaning up abandoned wells, and report its findings to the House of Commons.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Charlie Angus, Julie Dabrusin, Majid Jowhari, Viviane Lapointe, Peter Schiefke, Brenda Shanahan, Mario Simard — 7;

NAYS: Earl Dreeshen, Ted Falk, Jeremy Patzer, Shannon Stubbs — 4.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Julie Dabrusin moved on Monday, October 7, 2024, which read as follows:

Given that:

• There are 1,600 abandoned and orphaned oil wells in Alberta polluting farmland, waterways, and air;

• The number of abandoned wells in Alberta are set to increase by an additional 1,800 to 2,000; • These additional abandoned wells will cost more than $200 million to clean up;

• The Government of Alberta sent back $137 million because they failed to use the funds provided by the Government of Canada to clean up abandoned wells and create jobs in the pandemic;

• The Government of Saskatchewan used their allocated funds in their entirety to clean abandoned wells and create jobs;

• Companies who abandon wells and fail to pay for their cleanup negatively impact provincial taxpayers and municipalities;

• Orphaned and abandoned wells present an economic opportunity to support energy solutions like geothermal energy.

The Standing Committee on Natural Resources begin a five-meeting study on the impact of this failure to clean these wells in Alberta, the impacts of the pollution from not cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the costs of cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the regulations to hold companies to account for well cleanup, and the potential opportunities associated with cleaning up abandoned wells, and report its findings to the House of Commons.

The debate continued.

Amendment

Mario Simard moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words after all the words “this failure to clean these wells” with the following:

“, the impacts of the pollution from not cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the costs of cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the federal regulations to hold companies to account for well cleanup, and the potential opportunities associated with cleaning up abandoned wells, and report its findings to the House of Commons.”.

Debate arose thereon.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Mario Simard and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

Given that:

• There are 1,600 abandoned and orphaned oil wells in Alberta polluting farmland, waterways, and air;

• The number of abandoned wells in Alberta are set to increase by an additional 1,800 to 2,000;

• These additional abandoned wells will cost more than $200 million to clean up;

• The Government of Alberta sent back $137 million because they failed to use the funds provided by the Government of Canada to clean up abandoned wells and create jobs in the pandemic;

• The Government of Saskatchewan used their allocated funds in their entirety to clean abandoned wells and create jobs;

• Companies who abandon wells and fail to pay for their cleanup negatively impact provincial taxpayers and municipalities;

• Orphaned and abandoned wells present an economic opportunity to support energy solutions like geothermal energy.

The Standing Committee on Natural Resources begin a five-meeting study on the impact of this failure to clean these wells, the impacts of the pollution from not cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the costs of cleaning up abandoned and orphaned wells, the federal regulations to hold companies to account for well cleanup, and the potential opportunities associated with cleaning up abandoned wells, and report its findings to the House of Commons.

The debate continued.

At 1:21 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Thomas Bigelow
Clerk of the committee