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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 134
Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 10:04 a.m. to 2:10 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Peter Fonseca, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Michaël Lambert-Racine, Analyst
As an individual
• Lucas Cleveland, Mayor of Cobourg, Ontario
• Jeffrey Simser, Barrister and Solicitor
Alaphia Financial Wellness Inc.
• Natasha Knox, Financial Planner
Canada's Building Trades Unions
• Sean Strickland, Executive Director
Canadian Credit Union Association
• Michael Hatch, Vice-President, Government Relations
Canadian Counselling and Psychotherapy Association
• George Maringapasi, President Elect and Registered Counselling Therapist
• Lindsey Thomson, Registered Psychotherapist and Director, Public Affairs
Dow Canada
• W. Scott Thurlow, Senior Advisor, Government Affairs
Forum for Leadership on Water
• Ralph Pentland, Member
Grouping of Professional Mental Health Orders of Quebec
• Josée Landry, Guidance councellor
• Félix-David Soucis, Psychoeducator
National Council of Unemployed Workers
• Pierre Céré, Spokesperson
Option consommateurs
• Carlos Castiblanco, Economist and Analyst
• Sara Eve Levac, Lawyer
Québec Environmental Law Centre
• Julien Beaulieu, Competition Law Researcher
Pathways Alliance
• Mark Cameron, Vice-President, Government Relations and Public Policy
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, March 18, 2024, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-59, An Act to implement certain provisions of the fall economic statement tabled in Parliament on November 21, 2023 and certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023.

Jeffrey Simser, Ralph Pentland and Félix-David Soucis made statements and, with Josée Landry, answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Jasraj Singh Hallan moved, — That, the committee report to the House that it calls on the Prime Minister to convene a carbon tax emergency meeting with all of Canada’s 14 first ministers, and that this meeting addresses:

  1. The ongoing carbon tax crisis and the financial burden it places on Canadians,
  2. The Prime Minister’s recent 23% carbon tax increase,
  3. Plans for provinces to opt out of the federal carbon tax to pursue other ideas to lower emissions, given that under the Government’s current environmental plan, Canada now ranks 62 out of 67 countries on the Climate Change Performance Index,

That this meeting be publicly televised and held within 5 weeks of this motion being adopted.

Debate arose thereon.

At 10:40 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 10:50 a.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued on the motion

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Adam Chambers, Don Davies, Jasraj Singh Hallan, Philip Lawrence, Marty Morantz — 5;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Julie Dzerowicz, Anna Gainey, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joanne Thompson, Patrick Weiler — 6.

As an individual
• Lucas Cleveland, Mayor of Cobourg, Ontario
• Jeffrey Simser, Barrister and Solicitor
Alaphia Financial Wellness Inc.
• Natasha Knox, Financial Planner
Canada's Building Trades Unions
• Sean Strickland, Executive Director
Canadian Credit Union Association
• Michael Hatch, Vice-President, Government Relations
Canadian Counselling and Psychotherapy Association
• George Maringapasi, President Elect and Registered Counselling Therapist
• Lindsey Thomson, Registered Psychotherapist and Director, Public Affairs
Dow Canada
• W. Scott Thurlow, Senior Advisor, Government Affairs
Forum for Leadership on Water
• Ralph Pentland, Member
Grouping of Professional Mental Health Orders of Quebec
• Josée Landry, Guidance councellor
• Félix-David Soucis, Psychoeducator
National Council of Unemployed Workers
• Pierre Céré, Spokesperson
Option consommateurs
• Carlos Castiblanco, Economist and Analyst
• Sara Eve Levac, Lawyer
Québec Environmental Law Centre
• Julien Beaulieu, Competition Law Researcher
Pathways Alliance
• Mark Cameron, Vice-President, Government Relations and Public Policy
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, March 18, 2024, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-59, An Act to implement certain provisions of the fall economic statement tabled in Parliament on November 21, 2023 and certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

At 11:10 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:14 a.m., the sitting resumed.

Michael Hatch, Mark Cameron and Julien Beaulieu made statements and answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Jasraj Singh Hallan moved, — That given that four premiers have written to this committee requesting to appear in relation to the April 1st Carbon Tax hike, and seven out of ten premiers, representing 70% of Canadians, have voiced their opposition to the Carbon Tax, the committee invite Premiers Furey, King, Houston, Ford, and Kinew to appear at the Standing Committee on Finance within two weeks of the adoption of this motion. Furthermore, the committee prioritize hearings with the premiers above all other business.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Adam Chambers, Jasraj Singh Hallan, Philip Lawrence, Marty Morantz — 4;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Don Davies, Julie Dzerowicz, Anna Gainey, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Joanne Thompson, Patrick Weiler — 7.

As an individual
• Lucas Cleveland, Mayor of Cobourg, Ontario
• Jeffrey Simser, Barrister and Solicitor
Alaphia Financial Wellness Inc.
• Natasha Knox, Financial Planner
Canada's Building Trades Unions
• Sean Strickland, Executive Director
Canadian Credit Union Association
• Michael Hatch, Vice-President, Government Relations
Canadian Counselling and Psychotherapy Association
• George Maringapasi, President Elect and Registered Counselling Therapist
• Lindsey Thomson, Registered Psychotherapist and Director, Public Affairs
Dow Canada
• W. Scott Thurlow, Senior Advisor, Government Affairs
Forum for Leadership on Water
• Ralph Pentland, Member
Grouping of Professional Mental Health Orders of Quebec
• Josée Landry, Guidance councellor
• Félix-David Soucis, Psychoeducator
National Council of Unemployed Workers
• Pierre Céré, Spokesperson
Option consommateurs
• Carlos Castiblanco, Economist and Analyst
• Sara Eve Levac, Lawyer
Québec Environmental Law Centre
• Julien Beaulieu, Competition Law Researcher
Pathways Alliance
• Mark Cameron, Vice-President, Government Relations and Public Policy
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, March 18, 2024, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-59, An Act to implement certain provisions of the fall economic statement tabled in Parliament on November 21, 2023 and certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023.

At 12:15 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:24 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Natasha Knox, Sean Strickland and Pierre Céré made statements and answered questions.

At 1:16 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:18 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Lucas Cleveland, George Maringapasi, W. Scott Thurlow, Carlos Castiblanco and Sara Eve Levac made statements and, with Lindsey Thomson, answered questions.

At 2:10 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre Roger
Clerk of the committee