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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Finance (FINA)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 23
Monday, February 28, 2022, 10:06 a.m. to 11:57 a.m.
Televised
Presiding
Peter Fonseca, Chair (Liberal)

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• Dan Albas for Greg McLean (Conservative)
• Hon. Ed Fast for Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative)
• Darren Fisher for Julie Dzerowicz (Liberal)
• James Maloney for Yvan Baker (Liberal)
House of Commons
• Jacques Maziade, Legislative Clerk
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Brett Capwell, Analyst
• Joëlle Malo, Analyst
Bill C-8, An Act to implement certain provisions of the economic and fiscal update tabled in Parliament on December 14, 2021 and other measures
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Anamika Mona Nandy, Executive Director, Temporary Measures and Special Projects Division, Skills & Employment Branch
• Michael MacPhee, Director General, Employment Insurance Benefits Processing, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada
• George Rae, Director, Policy Analysis and Initiative, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
Department of Finance
• Maximilian Baylor, Senior Director, Saving and Investment Section, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Galen Countryman, Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch
• Lindsay Gwyer, Director General, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Robert Ives, Senior Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Phil King, Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Pierre Leblanc, Director General, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Mark Maxson, Director, Employment and Education, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Trevor McGowan, Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Pierre Mercille, Director General, Sales Tax Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Jenna Robbins, Senior Director, Strategic Planning and Policy, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Ling Wang, Senior Director, Financial Programs and Strategy, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
Department of Health
• Cameron MacDonald, Assistant Deputy Minister, Stategy, Integration and Date, COVID-19 Testing Secretariat
Public Health Agency of Canada
• Stephen Bent, Acting Vice-President, COVID-19 Vaccine Rollout Task Force
• Martin Joyal, Director General, Strategic Policy, COVID-19 Vaccine Rollout Task Force
Pursuant to the order of reference of Thursday, February 10, 2022, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-8, An Act to implement certain provisions of the economic and fiscal update tabled in Parliament on December 14, 2021 and other measures.

The witnesses answered questions.

The committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 (short title) was postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

Clause 2 carried on division.

Clause 3 carried on division.

Clause 4 carried on division.

Clause 5 carried on division.

Clause 6 carried on division.

Clause 7 carried on division.

Clause 8 carried on division.

Clause 9 carried on division.

On Clause 10,

Gabriel Ste-Marie moved, — That Bill C-8, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 35 on page 25 the following:

“(3.1) The tax under subsection (3) may only be applied in a province with the agreement of that province.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 770 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Gabriel Ste-Marie appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Terry Beech, Adam Chambers, Sophie Chatel, Ed Fast, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney, Jake Stewart — 9;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 2.

Clause 10 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 11 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 12 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 13 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 14 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 15 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 16 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 17 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 18 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 19 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 20 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 21 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Darren Fisher, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 22 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 23 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 5.

Clause 24 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 5.

Clause 25 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 26 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 27 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 28 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 29 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 30 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 31 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 32 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 33 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 34 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 35 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 36 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 37 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 38 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 39 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

Clause 40 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 6;

NAYS: Gabriel Ste-Marie — 1.

On new Clause 40.1,

Adam Chambers moved, — That Bill C-8 be amended by adding after line 17 on page 108 the following new clause:

“PART 2.1

Prohibition on Residential Property Purchases

40.1 It is prohibited for an individual who is neither a citizen, within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Citizenship Act, nor a permanent resident, within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, and who does not reside in Canada to purchase a residential property, within the meaning of section 2 of the Underused Housing Tax Act, for a period of two years following the day on which this Act comes into force.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 770 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Ed Fast appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney — 5;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 6.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Adam Chambers and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Jake Stewart — 5;

NAYS: Terry Beech, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 6.

Clause 41 carried on division.

Clause 42 carried on division.

Clause 43 carried on division.

Clause 44 carried on division.

On Clause 45,

Daniel Blaikie moved, — That Bill C-8, in Clause 45, be amended by adding after line 23 on page 111 the following:

“(3) Within three months after the day on which this section comes into force, and every three months after that, the Minister of Health must prepare a report setting out how the payments made under subsection (1) have been used by the provinces and territories and cause it to be tabled in each House of Parliament on any of the first 15 days on which that House is sitting after the report is completed.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Daniel Blaikie and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Jake Stewart — 5;

NAYS: Terry Beech, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 6.

Clause 45 carried on division.

On Clause 46,

Daniel Blaikie moved, — That Bill C-8, in Clause 46, be amended by adding after line 28 on page 111 the following:

“(2) Within three months after the day on which this section comes into force, and every three months after that, the Minister of Health must prepare a report setting out the payments made under subsection (1), the number of tests purchased and how they were distributed, and cause it to be tabled in each House of Parliament on any of the first 15 days on which that House is sitting after the report is completed.”

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:33 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:43 a.m., the sitting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Daniel Blaikie, — That Bill C-8, in Clause 46, be amended by adding after line 28 on page 111 the following:

“(2) Within three months after the day on which this section comes into force, and every three months after that, the Minister of Health must prepare a report setting out the payments made under subsection (1), the number of tests purchased and how they were distributed, and cause it to be tabled in each House of Parliament on any of the first 15 days on which that House is sitting after the report is completed.”

Terry Beech moved, — “That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “payments made” with the following: “number of payments made and the total amount paid” and by adding after the word “subsection (1)” the following: “should any payments be made under the Act during that period”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Terry Beech and it was agreed to.

The question was put on the amendment of Daniel Blaikie, as amended, and it was agreed to.

Clause 46, as amended, carried.

Clause 47 carried on division.

Clause 48 carried on division.

Clause 1, Short Title, carried on division.

The Title carried on division.

The Bill, as amended, was adopted on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Jake Stewart —4.

It was agreed — That the Chair report the Bill, as amended, to the House on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Jake Stewart —4.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill, as amended, to the House.

It was agreed — That Bill C-8, as amended, be reprinted for the use of the House of Commons at report stage on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, James Maloney, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Ed Fast, Jake Stewart —4.

ORDERED, — That Bill C-8, as amended, be reprinted for the use of the House of Commons at report stage.

At 11:57 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre Roger
Clerk of the Committee