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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 52
Monday, May 30, 2022, 4:21 p.m. to 6:11 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Peter Fonseca, Chair (Liberal)

• Philip Lawrence for Hon. Ed Fast (Conservative)
• Ben Lobb for Hon. Ed Fast (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Michaël Lambert-Racine, Analyst
• Joëlle Malo, Analyst
 
House of Commons
• Jacques Maziade, Legislative Clerk
• Tina Miller, Procedural Clerk
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
Canada Border Services Agency
• Doug Band, Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate
• Fred Gaspar, Vice-President, Commercial and Trade Branch
• Alexander Lawton, Executive Director, Trade Compliance Division
Canada Revenue Agency
• Robert Greene, Director General, Assessment, Benefit and Service Branch, Individual Returns Directorate
• Guy Lafrance, Director General, Collections Directorate, Collections and Verification Branch
Correctional Service of Canada
• Luc Bisson, Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning
• Chad Westmacott, Director General, Community Safety, Corrections and Criminal Justice Directorate, Crime Prevention Branch
Department of Citizenship and Immigration
• Julie Chassé, Director General, Financial Strategy
• Jonathan Joshi-Koop, Acting Director, Express Entry Policy
• Marcel Poirier, Director, Fees and Activity Based Costing Division
• Philip Somogyvari, Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Annik Casey, Director General, Employment Insurance Benefits Processing, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch
• Steven Coté, Executive Director, Employment Insurance, Skills and Employment Branch
• Rouba Dabboussy, Director General, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch
• Saajida Deen, Director General, Employment Program Policy and Design, Skills and Employment Branch
• Deanne Field, Executive Director, Employment Insurance Benefits Processing, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch
• Cliff C. Groen, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada
• Neal Leblanc, Acting Director, Canada Pension Plan Policy and legislation
• Matthew Lye, Senior Policy Analyst, Canada Pension Plan Disbility Directorate
• Anamika Mona Nandy, Acting Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Lorraine Pelot, Director General, Canada Pension Plan Disability, Income Security and Social Development Branch
• Zia Proulx, Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information Directorate, Labour Program
• George Rae, Acting Executive Director, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Fariya Syed, Director, Employment Program Policy and Design, Skills and Employment Branch
• Kristen Underwood, Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat
• Kevin Wagdin, Director, Old Age Security Policy and Legislation
• Douglas Wolfe, Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information Directorate, Labour Program
Department of Finance
• Carlos Achadinha, Senior Director, Public Sector Bodies
• Brent Almond, Director, Indigenous Taxation Policy
• Shane Baddeley, Director, Economic Development
• Stefania Bartucci, Senior Project Leader, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Maximilian Baylor, Senior Director, Saving and Investment Section, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Marie-Hélène Cantin, Senior Economist, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance
• Gervais Coulombe, Senior Director, Excise Taxation and Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Galen Countryman, Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch
• Darren D'Sa, Advisor, Tax Policy
• Manuel Dussault, Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Jean-François Girard, Senior Director, Markets Policy, Financial Stability and Capital Market
• Jack Glick, Senior Advisor, Sales Tax Division
• Michelle Gouchie, Director, Federal-Provincial Taxation
• Lindsay Gwyer, Director General, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Émilie Horrocks-Denis, Senior Policy Analyst, Intergovernmental Tax Policy, Evaluation and Research
• Phil King, Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Blaine Langdon, Director, Charities, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Tracy Laufer, Senior Advisor, Financial Institutions Division
• Pierre Leblanc, Director General, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Mark Maxson, Director, Employment and Education, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Trevor McGowan, Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Pierre Mercille, Director General, Sales Tax Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Nicolas Moreau, Director General, Funds Management Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Amanda Riddell, Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Jenna Robbins, Senior Director, Strategic Planning and Policy, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Oliver Rogerson, Director, Resources, Environment and Special Projects, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Barbara Russell, Director, Financial Institutions Division
• Robert Sample, Director General, Financial Stability and Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Gregory Smart, Expert Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Lesley Taylor, Senior Director, Social Tax Policy
• David Turner, Senior Advisor, Sales Tax Division
• Roch Vézina, Senior Tax Policy Analyst, Indigenous Taxation Policy
• Ling Wang, Senior Director, Financial Programs and Strategy, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Scott Winter, Senior Director, Trade Rules, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch
• Kathleen Wrye, Director, Pensions Policy
• James Wu, Senior Director, Debt Management, Funds Management Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
• Matina Karvellas, Deputy Executive Director and General Counsel, Legal Services
• Lynn McDonald, Director General, International Economic Policy
Department of Indigenous Services
• Rebecca Blake, Manager, Regional Operations
• Douglas Fairbairn, Senior Counsel, Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Department of Industry
• Patrick Blanar, Director, Copywright and Trademark Policy Directorate
• Erin Campbell, Director, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Patent Policy Directorate
• Ian Disend, Expert Advisor, Policy, Research and Analysis
• Shazmin Kanji, Senior Director, International Affairs
• Jennifer Miller, Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch
• Martin Simard, Senior Director, Corporate, Insolvency and Competition Policy, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch
• Jason Wood, Executive Director, Space Exploration Policy
Department of Justice
• Erin Cassidy, Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
• Anna Dekker, Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section
• Nathalie Hébert, Manager and Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
• Melissa Moor, Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector
• Lee-Yong Tan, Legal Counsel, Legal Services
Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions
• Stéphane Fournier, Senior Manager, Legislative Policy, Interpretations and Compliance Unit, Regulatory Affairs Division
• Joanne Lucas, Manager, Legislative Policy, Interpretations and Compliance, Regulatory Affairs Division
Privy Council Office
• Timothea Gibb, Director of Operations, Legislation and House Planning
Treasury Board Secretariat
• Lucas Cherkewski, Policy Analyst
• Leanne Labelle, Head of Plaftorm Growth
• John Millons, Director of Policy
Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, May 10, 2022, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-19, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on April 7, 2022, and other measures.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.

The committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 (short title) was postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

Clause 2 carried on division.

Clause 3 carried on division.

Clause 4 carried on division.

Clause 5 carried on division.

On Clause 6,

Jake Stewart moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 6, be amended

(a) by adding after line 15 on page 7 the following:

“(3.1) Section 118.3 of the Act is amended by adding the following after subsection (1.1):

(1.2) Despite subsection (1.1), an individual who is diagnosed with type 1 diabetes mellitus is deemed to require therapy to be administered at least two times each week for a total duration averaging not less than 14 hours a week.”

(b) by replacing line 16 on page 7 with the following:

“(4) Subsections (1) to (3.1) apply to the 2021 and”

Debate arose thereon.

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on page 772 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Jake Stewart appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Sophie Chatel, Peter Fragiskatos, Heath MacDonald — 5;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Philip Lawrence, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 6.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Jake Stewart and it was agreed to.

Clause 6, as amended, carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 7 to 15 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 16,

Philip Lawrence moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 16, be amended

(a) by replacing line 11 on page 18 with the following:

“(ii) the charity takes reasonable steps to ensure that the disbursement is ex-”

(b) by replacing lines 13 to 15 on page 18 with the following:

“ance of a charitable purpose of the charity, including by

(A) collecting the information — namely, on the identity, experience and activities of the grantee organization — necessary to satisfy a reasonable person that the resources will be applied accordingly before making them available to the grantee organization, and

(B) establishing measures, imposing restrictions or conditions or otherwise taking actions necessary to satisfy a reasonable person that the resources are being applied accordingly when making them available to the grantee organization; (versement admissible)”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Philip Lawrence and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Philip Lawrence, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 5;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Peter Fragiskatos, Heath MacDonald — 6.

Gabriel Ste-Marie moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 16, be amended by deleting lines 14 and 15 on page 18.

The question was put on the amendment of Gabriel Ste-Marie and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Philip Lawrence, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 5;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Peter Fragiskatos, Heath MacDonald — 6.

Daniel Blaikie moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 16, be amended by replacing line 14 on page 18 with the following:

“(iii) the charity maintains documentation sufficient to demonstrate

(A) the purpose for which the disbursement is made, and

(B) that the disbursement is exclusively applied by the grantee organization to charitable activities in furtherance of a charitable purpose of the charity;”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Daniel Blaikie and it was agreed to.

Clause 16, as amended, carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 17 to 20 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 21,

Philip Lawrence moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 21, be amended by replacing line 10 on page 23 with the following:

“charity, association or organization making a gift that is not a qualifying disbursement to”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Philip Lawrence and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Adam Chambers, Philip Lawrence, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 5;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Peter Fragiskatos, Heath MacDonald — 6.

Clause 21 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 22 to 39 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 40,

Philip Lawrence moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 40, be amended by deleting line 32 on page 41 to line 13 on page 43.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Philip Lawrence and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Sophie Chatel, Peter Fragiskatos, Philip Lawrence, Heath MacDonald, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

Clause 40, as amended, carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 41 to 51 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 52 and 53 carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 54 to 130 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 131,

Gabriel Ste-Marie moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 131, be amended by replacing lines 15 to 19 on page 106 with the following:

“(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to wine

(a) that is produced by an individual for their personal use and that is consumed in the course of that use; or

(b) that is produced in Canada from honey or apples and composed wholly of agricultural or plant product grown in Canada.

(2) Subsection (1) applies after June 29, 2022.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Gabriel Ste-Marie and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Ben Lobb, Gabriel Ste-Marie, Jake Stewart — 6;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Sophie Chatel, Peter Fragiskatos, Heath MacDonald — 5.

Clause 131, as amended, carried on division.

Clause 132 carried on division.

On Clause 133,

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 133, be amended by replacing lines 1 and 2 on page 107 with the following:

“(2) Subsection (1) comes into force on January 1, 2023.”

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:45 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:50 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Dan Albas, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 133, be amended by replacing lines 1 and 2 on page 107 with the following:

“(2) Subsection (1) comes into force on January 1, 2023.”

The debate continued.

At 5:55 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:00 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Dan Albas, — That Bill C-19, in Clause 133, be amended by replacing lines 1 and 2 on page 107 with the following:

“(2) Subsection (1) comes into force on January 1, 2023.”

The debate continued.

On motion of Terry Beech, it was agreed, — That the committee do now adjourn.

At 6:11 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre Roger
Clerk of the committee