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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 38
Monday, November 14, 2022, 11:01 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Hon. Marc Garneau, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Olivier Leblanc-Laurendeau, Analyst
• Marlisa Tiedemann, Analyst
 
House of Commons
• Audrée Dallaire, Procedural Clerk
• Jean-François Pagé, Legislative Clerk
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
• Andy Garrow, Director, Planning and Partnerships, Reconciliation Secretariat, Policy and Strategic Direction
• Kate Ledgerwood, Director General, Reconciliation Secretariat, Policy and Strategic Direction
Department of Justice
• Seetal Sunga, Senior Counsel
Pursuant to the order of reference of Thursday, September 29, 2022, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-29, An Act to provide for the establishment of a national council for reconciliation.

The committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 (short title) and of the Preamble was postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

Clause 2 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Jenica Atwin, Jaime Battiste, Marilène Gill, Lori Idlout, Michael V. McLeod, Eric Melillo, Marcus Powlowski, Jamie Schmale, Gary Vidal, Patrick Weiler, Bob Zimmer — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

Clause 3 carried on division.

Clause 4 carried on division.

Clause 5 carried on division.

On Clause 6,

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 16 on page 3 with the following:

“6 The purpose of the Council is to advance”

The question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal and it was agreed to on division.

Clause 6, as amended, carried.

On Clause 7,

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 7, be amended

(a) by replacing line 20 on page 3 with the following:

“tion plan to advance reconciliation;”

(b) by replacing lines 23 and 24 on page 3 with the following:

“dian society and by all governments in Canada to implement the Truth and Reconciliation”

(c) by replacing lines 26 and 27 on page 3 with the following:

“(c) conduct research on practices that advance reconciliation in all sectors of Canadi-”

(d) by replacing line 2 on page 4 with the following:

“coordinate reconciliation in all sectors of”

The question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal and it was agreed to.

Lori Idlout moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 25 on page 3 the following:

“(b.1) ensure that reconciliation is consistent with the protection and promotion of the rights of Indigenous peoples, including by advancing a rights-based approach to self-determination;”

The question was put on the amendment of Lori Idlout and it was agreed to.

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 9 on page 4 the following:

“(h) monitor and report on the progress made on measurable outcomes, including in relation to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada’s Call to Action number 55.”

The question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal and it was agreed to.

Lori Idlout moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 9 on page 4 the following:

“(h) protect Indigenous language rights, including by ensuring that, to promote and support the participation of Indigenous persons in the work of the Council, translation and interpretation services are made available to them.”

The question was put on the amendment of Lori Idlout and it was agreed to.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Wednesday, December 15, 2021, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-29, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 9 on page 4 the following:

“(2) The Minister must, in collaboration with the Council, develop a multi-year funding plan that ensures adequate funding of the Council and that includes the provision of funding by the Government of Canada.

(3) The Minister must, in collaboration with the Council, constitute a trust for the advancement of reconciliation.”

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:19 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:21 a.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: — 0;

NAYS: Jenica Atwin, Jaime Battiste, Marilène Gill, Lori Idlout, Michael V. McLeod, Eric Melillo, Marcus Powlowski, Jamie Schmale, Gary Vidal, Patrick Weiler, Bob Zimmer — 11.

Clause 7, as amended, carried.

On Clause 8,

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 11 and 12 on page 4 with the following:

“directors sent under section 3 are to be jointly selected by the Minister and the transitional commit-”

The question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal and it was agreed to.

At 11:27 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:30 a.m., the sitting resumed.

Marilène Gill moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 4 with the following:

“tee, taking into account sections 9, 11, 12 and 13 and the”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Marilène Gill and it was agreed to.

Clause 8, as amended, carried.

Clause 9 carried.

On Clause 10,

Lori Idlout moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 23 on page 4 the following:

“(d) one director who may only be elected after having been nominated by the Native Women's Association of Canada.”

The question was put on the amendment of Lori Idlout and it was agreed to.

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 23 on page 4 the following:

“(d) one director who may only be elected after having been nominated by the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Marilène Gill, Lori Idlout, Eric Melillo, Jamie Schmale, Gary Vidal, Bob Zimmer — 6;

NAYS: Jenica Atwin, Jaime Battiste, Michael V. McLeod, Marcus Powlowski, Patrick Weiler — 5.

Clause 10, as amended, carried.

On Clause 11,

Michael V. McLeod moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 11, be amended by adding after line 4 on page 5 the following:

“(2) At least two of the directors must be residents of Yukon, the Northwest Territories or Nunavut.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Michael V. McLeod and it was agreed to.

Clause 11, as amended, carried.

On Clause 12,

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing lines 5 to 7 on page 5 with the following:

“12 The Council’s board of directors must include represen-”

Debate arose thereon.

Jaime Battiste moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “must, ” the following: “, to the extent possible,”

At 11:54 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:05 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the subamendment of Jaime Battiste and it was agreed to.

The question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal, as amended, and it was agreed to.

Lori Idlout moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 9 on page 5 the following:

“(a.1) Indigenous elders;

(a.2) survivors of the discriminatory and assimilationist policies of the Government of Canada;”

Debate arose thereon.

By unanimous consent, it was agreed, — That the amendment be amended by adding the word “Indigenous” before the word “survivors”

At 12:13 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:23 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Gary Vidal moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “Canada” the following: “and their descendants”

The question was put on the subamendment of Gary Vidal and it was agreed to.

The question was put on the amendment of Lori Idlout, as amended, and it was agreed to.

Patrick Weiler moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing line 12 on page 5 with the following:

“of the Department of Indigenous Services Act, to reflect the diversity of arrangements that govern relationships between Indigenous communities and the Government of Canada;”

The question was put on the amendment of Patrick Weiler and it was agreed to.

Marilène Gill moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 5 the following:

“(f) Indigenous persons whose first or second language is French.”

At 12:29 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:33 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the amendment of Marilène Gill and it was agreed to.

Gary Vidal moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 5 the following:

“(f) Indigenous organizations that focus on economic reconciliation and prosperity as the path to self-determination.”

The question was put on the amendment of Gary Vidal and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Eric Melillo, Marcus Powlowski, Jamie Schmale, Gary Vidal, Bob Zimmer — 5;

NAYS: Jenica Atwin, Jaime Battiste, Marilène Gill, Lori Idlout, Michael V. McLeod, Patrick Weiler — 6.

Michael V. McLeod moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 5 the following:

“(f) survivors of Canadian residential schools or their descendants.”

The question was put on the amendment of Michael V. McLeod and it was agreed to.

Marilène Gill moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 5 the following:

“(2) The Council's board of directors must also, to the extent possible, include equal representation of women and men.”

At 12:49 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:54 p.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Marilène Gill and it was agreed to.

Jenica Atwin moved, — That Bill C-29, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 5 the following:

“(2) The composition of the board of directors must also, to the extent possible, ensure and equitably reflect gender diversity.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Jenica Atwin and it was agreed to.

Clause 12, as amended, carried.

At 1:00 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Vanessa Davies
Clerk of the committee